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Judith Miller, TWA 800 and the Death of Press Freedom
NewsMax ^ | 7/6/05 | James D. Sanders

Posted on 07/05/2005 5:57:37 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: Criminal Number 18F

Thanks for the post.

I was beginning to think I had been redirected to DU for a moment. (No need to let an ugly set of facts destroy such a beautiful theory...)

Wait, wait! I've got it! There were TWO missles! One by the military and one by the terrorists! Each thought the other had done it, so neither fessed up or took credit. Wow! How could this have been missed for so long! Yeah, that's the ticket!

Call the NYT! </sarcasm>


61 posted on 07/05/2005 7:16:50 PM PDT by NonLinear ("If not instantaneous, then extraordinarily fast" - Galileo re. speed of light. circa 1600)
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To: rlmorel
This stuff is just too Black Helicopter for me.

Look into the Arrow Air crash in Gander. You might think different after digging into that.

62 posted on 07/05/2005 7:17:54 PM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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To: ken21
we paid iran big bucks.

I'm not sure about that. As I recall (and if anyone has better information, please correct me), the US offered to pay compensation directly to the families of those killed. Iran insisted that the compansation be paid in one sum to the government, claiming that it would distribute the money to the families. The US balked. So the money has been set aside, but not actually disbursed.

63 posted on 07/05/2005 7:19:58 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Criminal Number 18F
Thanks for your calm, rational, and reasonable approach to the cause of TWA 800.

Some folks around here will simply not accept that some occurrences are accidents, especially when there's a convenient political demon to blame.

64 posted on 07/05/2005 7:20:20 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: mitchbert
"We were in the White House situation room when TWA800 was shot down..."

Stephanopolous isn't the only one who has made statements like that. There was another government official who said something similar. More recently. Perhaps other freepers will remember the incident.

65 posted on 07/05/2005 7:23:45 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: Criminal Number 18F
I wrote to aviator:

exact cause of ignition remains a mystery

Aviator probably knows this, but to recap on how we keep planes full of potentially explosive stuff from exploding all the time:

To have an explosion in a jet-fuel tank you need to have several things:

  1. Fuel

  2. air

  3. an air space into which the fuel can evaporate forming a vapor. This air space is called the ullage

  4. In the exact proportion that is inflammable, called a stoichimetric mixture

  5. and the right temperature to encourage this evaporation

  6. and the right ambient pressure

    ... and, finally, the granddaddy of them all:

  7. a source of ignition.

Before TWA 800 designers concentrated mostly on eliminating possible sources of ignition. Since, operational considerations include not having fuel tanks contain an inflammable mixture in the ullage, to give belt-and-suspenders safety.

A third level of safety will be added soon by inerting, by putting inert gas into the ullage so that the fuel can't evaporate and form inflammable vapor.

Hope this helps. The explosion thing is kind of counterintuitive (if it happened once, why doesn't it happen all the time? people ask). The answer is, too many odd details need to fall into place, which is why it's happened only four or five times in millions of flight hours.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

66 posted on 07/05/2005 7:26:38 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Support and avenge our fallen operators)
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To: NonLinear
Wait, wait! I've got it! There were TWO missles! One by the military and one by the terrorists! Each thought the other had done it, so neither fessed up or took credit. Wow! How could this have been missed for so long! Yeah, that's the ticket!

O Thor and Odin! Oh daemons of Niffelheim! I take it all back! Now I have seen the light!

Actually, my theory is that Team America was firing a missile at a French mime and it ricocheted off the Tour Eiffel, making one and one half earth orbits and plunging onto TWA 800.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

67 posted on 07/05/2005 7:29:51 PM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (Support and avenge our fallen operators)
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To: Liberty Valance
I'd like to see this alleged tape that was taken from NBC by the FBI. Can anyone confirm such a tape exists?

I know I'm not the only person who repeatedly saw the video, I think on Fox NYC, of a missile going over the lady in a tacky long red coctail dress. The video did not show the plane blowing up, just the missile in the background climbing upwards.

If I recall correctly, many other Freepers saw it.

68 posted on 07/05/2005 7:30:19 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: wagglebee

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I find it very interesting that my postings on the CLINTONS' being behind the Downing of TWA Flight 800, as another diversion away from their own worst misbehaviors, have been posted online ever since those victims went down.

I find it doubly interesting that HILLARY herself has felt compelled to go on Talk Radio to complain about "All those bad things they are accusing me of doing on the internet"..!!!

Especially since JFK jr's plane also went down in the Atlantic on the eve of his own TV Announcement from the Albany N.Y. Capitol steps that he was running for the U.S. Senate against HILLARY. Even though HILLARY had coldly threatened him not to earlier that same year (Per DICK MORRIS).

"It's the TV, Stupid, no matter who pays for it" = CLITNON M.O.

...still.

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69 posted on 07/05/2005 7:30:54 PM PDT by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com)
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To: mitchbert
Based on talking with several of the principals on the missile shoot-down side, and reading a lot about this, I came to the conclusion that the Xlintoon administration knew about it ahead of time, and thought they could stop it. They planned to catch the terrorists before they could launch, and get really good press for the "law enforcement" approach to fighting terrorists. Something went wrong, and they simply had to watch TWA 800 being shot down.
70 posted on 07/05/2005 7:31:09 PM PDT by SubMareener (Become a monthly donor! Free FreeRepublic.com from Quarterly FReepathons!)
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks for reminding me about JFK, Jr. I had completely forgotten about that. I have also noticed that Tubby Kennedy has been noticeably "colder" toward the Klintoons since his nephew died.
71 posted on 07/05/2005 7:33:50 PM PDT by wagglebee ("We are ready for the greatest achievements in the history of freedom." -- President Bush, 1/20/05)
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To: ScaniaBoy; Cooter; eyespysomething; B4Ranch; Alamo-Girl; Triple; MJY1288; potlatch; Shermy; ...
OKC-911 CONNECTION ALERT. Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be put on or taken off this list. Thanks.

This is really peripheral to the main subject of the ping list, but there may be good info for those who 'cross research' such things.

72 posted on 07/05/2005 7:34:10 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: wagglebee

Sounds like a Kook to me.


73 posted on 07/05/2005 7:36:59 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Ramius
You can check out the SA-7 for yourself.

SA-7 at Global Security/

Max alt: 4500 Meters, which is 14,763.779 feet.

74 posted on 07/05/2005 7:40:26 PM PDT by Veloxherc (To go up pull back, to go down pull back all the way.)
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To: ladyjane
"We were in the White House situation room when TWA800 was shot down..."

Stephanopolous isn't the only one who has made statements like that. There was another government official who said something similar. More recently. Perhaps other freepers will remember the incident.

Yeah, and if you did a Google or Nexis search, you'd probably find dozens of people who referred to the "bombing" of the World Trade Center on 09/11/2001. Some folks will claim that those "slips" prove that there was a controlled demolition of the towers.

That's part of the conspiracy mindset. If you can find a thousand sources saying the same thing and one saying something else, the lonely voice must be the voice of truth. If the same person said the same thing a hundred times and something different once, the one differing utterance must have been the truth "slipping out."

If the navy were carrying out a life-fire missile drill in the area, it would require that every crewman on every ship that fired, and everyone who observed the exercise, remain silent for the last nine years. If it were a terrorist attack, that would require a lot of air traffic controllers sticking to their lie about the plane's altitude and speed. Not to mention that a heat-seeking missile would have honed in on an engine, not split the fuselage.

The odds of keeping a conspiracy secret are inversely proportional to the square of the number of people who know the secret. My Lai and Watergate were blown within months, when only about a dozen people were involved. A coverup with at least scores and more likely hundreds of people involved? I'm not buying it.

75 posted on 07/05/2005 7:40:34 PM PDT by ReignOfError
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To: Alberta's Child
"Baloney. There a very strong possibility that the real cover-up of TWA 800 was that the incident didn't involve terrorism at all -- it was an accidental shoot-down of TWA 800 by a U.S. or NATO military vessel conducting exercises off the south shore of Long Island that night."

This just can't be...I thought it was a center fuel tank that exploded!.....< /sarc >

76 posted on 07/05/2005 7:41:23 PM PDT by patriot_wes (papal infallibility - a proud tradition since 1869)
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To: Peach
And I believe it was John Kerry who was interviewed once and slipped that this was an act of terrorism as well.

You are correct.

By the way, did you know that he was in Vietnam? :)

77 posted on 07/05/2005 7:50:51 PM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Two weeks after the Downing of TWA Flight 800 we also saw the CLINTONS on TV entering an Olympic Stadium acting like innocent Royalty

I don't know if it was a missle, a bomb, accident, or Beer Fart that brought it down. What I do know is, it happened just weeks before the Atlanta Games. Tourists were already flooding into the Country. Bubba and Bubbette would stop at nothing to insure a cover story held until at a minimum the Atlanta Games and the Election had passed. The precious Clinton reputation was more important than any factual investigation.

The Clinton Legacy DEMANDED that if anything bad happened for any reason, there had to be a way to either dismiss it or blame it on the VRWC.

78 posted on 07/05/2005 7:50:55 PM PDT by Petruchio ( ... .--. .- -.-- / .- -. -.. / -. . ..- - . .-. / .. .-.. .-.. . --. .- .-.. / .- .-.. .. . -. ...)
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To: SubMareener
Based on talking with several of the principals on the missile shoot-down side, and reading a lot about this, I came to the conclusion that the Xlintoon administration knew about it ahead of time, and thought they could stop it. They planned to catch the terrorists before they could launch, and get really good press for the "law enforcement" approach to fighting terrorists. Something went wrong, and they simply had to watch TWA 800 being shot down.

BINGO!

79 posted on 07/05/2005 7:56:24 PM PDT by japaneseghost
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To: ALOHA RONNIE

Thanks for the ping!


80 posted on 07/05/2005 8:06:07 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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