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Sometimes the BRAC Process Gets it Wrong
The Lexington Institute ^
| 6/27/05
| Daniel Goure
Posted on 07/05/2005 9:35:52 AM PDT by Paul Ross
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The hearing in Boston is supposed to be tomorrow. This is a timely article to preface such a hearing.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:35:53 AM PDT
by
Paul Ross
To: Submariner; navyvet; Alamo-Girl; Travis McGee; Jeff Head; doug from upland; ALOHA RONNIE
E.g.,
Shipyard's Fate Hangs In Balance Tomorrow
(Union Leader, N.H., July 5, 2005)
The fate of the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard could be decided Wednesday when four members of the Base Realignment and Closure Commission hold a hearing in Boston to decide whether to accept the Pentagon's recommendation that the yard be closed. The session is one of four hearings at the same location. Each will be crucial to determining the fate of other military bases in New England, including the Submarine Base at Groton, Conn., the Brunswick Naval Air Station in Maine and the Defense Finance Accounting Service center in northern Maine.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:40:11 AM PDT
by
Paul Ross
(George Patton: "I hate to have to fight for the same ground twice.")
To: Paul Ross
Florida netted a gain of 4,000 plus jobs as a result of this recent BRAC process. Maybe there are reasons, but how can you expect others to sacrifice when the President's brother's state gains 4000?
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:41:10 AM PDT
by
jackieaxe
(English speaking, tax paying, law abiding citizen.)
To: Paul Ross
We've already closed far too many bases. Time to start reactivating some.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:43:21 AM PDT
by
dsc
To: Paul Ross
To: Paul Ross
The BRAC decision on Submarine Base New London was influenced by the same entity that was behind the actions of New London city government in the recent Supreme Court eminent domain case-Pfizer Pharmaceuticals. This firm managed to have persons on the subcommittee that put the package together on the BRAC recommendation who were under financial influence of Pfizer.
To: robowombat
Do you have a source for this? If so, amazing.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:51:35 AM PDT
by
RinaseaofDs
(The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
To: Paul Ross
The BRAC hearing for Eielson AFB was a month ago. The presentation was good, attendance was good. Will it matter? If every base has equally good testimony, everything will cancel and the list will stand.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:53:45 AM PDT
by
RightWhale
(withdraw from the 1967 UN Outer Space Treaty)
To: Paul Ross
Oh, I dunno ... I hear that waterfront property in the New London area is pretty valuable. Maybe the gubermint wants to unload theirs before the good folk in New London decide to take it. Serves them right. Ha!
Sarcasm aside, there are some good points in the article but let's take it one step further, then. Why not relocate ALL of those facilities to a lower cost state and save money in the long run?
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:54:13 AM PDT
by
NonValueAdded
("Iraq is the bug light for terrorists" (Mike McConnell 7/2/05))
To: jackieaxe
Florida will lose some jobs as well. The A and C schools that were moved to Pensacola from Millington are slated to come back to Tennessee. We are supposed to get a whole lot of new jobs in West Tennessee. Last time that I checked the President does not have a brother that lives in this state.
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posted on
07/05/2005 9:56:09 AM PDT
by
Coldwater Creek
("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
To: Paul Ross
My wife's sister says that the base closings are punishment for the "blue" states. She uses Fort Monmouth here in New Jersey as an example.
If I understand what they do there correctly (communications & electronics R&D) they could move just about anywhere, and doing so would move their people out of one of the highest cost of living areas of the country.
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posted on
07/05/2005 10:00:10 AM PDT
by
JimRed
("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?")
To: RinaseaofDs
Go to the following post on June 29 "Did Pfizer Buy The Constitution Of the United States of America?". Look at comment #5 and follow directions. It takes a while to winnow through the mass of materiel posted. The entire Pfizer-New London hookup is an amazing case of blatant fraud and abuse by government at the behest of a single large business entity.
To: Paul Ross
Closing military bases in a time of war.
I really believe the pentegon messed up with this whole concept.
To: mariabush
Well I'm just mean enough to say remove every military installation from those states that are anti-military and I'll decide what anti-military means. Massachusetts is at the very tip top of my list, followed closely by New York! Those loyal people who love freedom and the military are welcome to relocate to places where their work and their attitude will be appreciated!
To: mariabush
I misspoke (miswrote), Florida will gain 2,757 jobs, mostly military and loose 1,002 civilian jobs. I still think my original point stands. Some states were less hurt than others and Jeb Bush's state did quite well.
Here is the state by state link:
http://www.defenselink.mil/brac/pdf/pt1_11_app_co.pdf
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posted on
07/05/2005 10:09:09 AM PDT
by
jackieaxe
(English speaking, tax paying, law abiding citizen.)
To: jackieaxe
Florida netted a gain of 4,000 plus jobs as a result of this recent BRAC process. Maybe there are reasons, but how can you expect others to sacrifice when the President's brother's state gains 4000? Georgia gained 7,423 jobs. Does the President have a brother in Georgia? Texas lost over 3,000 civilian jobs. The Florida total is 2,757 gain -- not 4,000. In addition, the Florida military gains were offset by a reduction of over 1,000 existing civilian jobs. The far left state of Maryland has almost 10,000 jobs gained. Just who is being rewarded there?
You are trying to make something that went out of the way to be non-partisan and non-political into something that you think is politically motivated. It's just not true. The facts prove otherwise.
Facts.
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posted on
07/05/2005 10:16:03 AM PDT
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: jackieaxe
I still think my original point stands. Some states were less hurt than others and Jeb Bush's state did quite well. So you think the Department of Defense is a jobs program? Or that it exists for the sole purpose of providing high-paying jobs to states that you approve of?
DoD personnel as placed where they can best accomplish their mission -- not where they can best support the local economy.
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posted on
07/05/2005 10:20:13 AM PDT
by
FreedomCalls
(It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
To: pepperdog
Mass. is getting jobs from Alabama. Alabama actually gains over all, but 1200 hi-tech computer jobs are being sent to the Boston area. My hubbie's job is one of them. It really is a stupid move, not just because it's personal. None of the current folks will relocate, so they will have to start over up there. This outfit does most of the Air Force's software, including the F-22. This done by civilian contractors, most of whom are retired military who have years of experience. They will never get such experienced troops up there. Cost of living is a big reason. They are not closing the base where these guys work, in fact they are in the middle of building a brand new building for the unit that is leaving. I guess the building will make a good recreation building.
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posted on
07/05/2005 10:20:50 AM PDT
by
Himyar
To: FreedomCalls
My God, yes I see Maryland gained about 9000 jobs. I guess I'm smarting from the loss of the Portsmouth Naval Shipyard or about -7000 jobs in an area that does not have a lot of DoDs jobs. But you make a good point, no the Defense budget should not be a jobs program, although in DoD contracting there are EEO and Women Owned goals.
Allow me to soften my statement and say, it didn't hurt Florida that Jeb Bush was the Governor.
Facts are a funny things. Thats for your good points.
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posted on
07/05/2005 10:55:01 AM PDT
by
jackieaxe
(English speaking, tax paying, law abiding citizen.)
To: pepperdog
Sounds about right to me!! Glad to know that you survived the holiday!!
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posted on
07/05/2005 10:55:10 AM PDT
by
Coldwater Creek
("Over there, Over there, we will be there until it is Over there.")
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