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I can't believe the nerve of this b*tch!
1 posted on 07/04/2005 2:52:34 PM PDT by wagglebee
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This is what you get when you leave that big a gap between what the people want and what you're prepared to do. If there's room for Hillary to run to your right on an issue, you know you've got a problem, Mr. President.


38 posted on 07/04/2005 3:08:49 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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Hillary knows that the bad guys have already come across the border and have been working with the South American and Mexican gang bangers for some time. The odds are pretty good that they will be doing something nasty at some point.
39 posted on 07/04/2005 3:09:09 PM PDT by isthisnickcool (Get all the incumbents out of politics!)
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"I can't believe the nerve of this b*tch!"

Uh....she could have never pressed this issue had Bush merely upheld the law.


41 posted on 07/04/2005 3:09:28 PM PDT by Stellar Dendrite (FAKE conservatism is more dangerous than liberalism <<<---at least you know what you're gonna get!)
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Hillary is just getting warmed up.

Listen to her after the next terrorist attack if it is proved the terrorists and/or their terror supplies came illegally over the border.

President Bush, you're dropping (have dropped, actually) the ball on this.

42 posted on 07/04/2005 3:09:28 PM PDT by upchuck ("If our nation be destroyed, it would be from the judiciary." ~ Thomas Jefferson)
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Hillary Clinton last month voted for the ag bill to give all illegals amnesty that work for a year. That will only encourage more illegals to come here.

Hillary Clinton is for affirmative action for mexican anchor babies that will only encourage more to come here.

Hillary Clinton railed against real id act saying it wasn't right to punish the illegals.

Hillary Clinton is against a fence on the border.

Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton had a policy of just dropping illegals off on the other side of the border instead of inland.


43 posted on 07/04/2005 3:09:36 PM PDT by johnmecainrino (e)
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I can't believe the nerve of this b*tch!

Why not? She's been crafting her skills as a grifter for decades.

47 posted on 07/04/2005 3:11:16 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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Guys, I think you are underestimating how helpful this is to those of us who want to see immigration controlled.

This will make it that much easier for a Republican candidate in 2008 to come out strongly in favor of immigration controls. It's largely the fear of losing Hispanic votes that has made our Republican candidates so cowardly on this issue. If the Dems are for tough borders as well, our candidate can support it with less fear of losing Hispanic votes.

This also means that Hillary has done her internal polling and has determined that this stance gets her more votes- she woudln't be doing it otherwise. I see this is a very promising step on many fronts, as long as it doesn't result in a President Hillary, which I can never see happening (her personal negatives are too high).


48 posted on 07/04/2005 3:11:45 PM PDT by Altair333 (Stop illegal immigration: George Allen in 2008)
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Hillary's two prong approach to the White House

Illegal Immigration and God.


49 posted on 07/04/2005 3:11:48 PM PDT by Californiajones ("The apprehension of beauty is the cure for apathy" - Thomas Aquinas)
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Well, the Pat Buchanan brigade is well represented here.


50 posted on 07/04/2005 3:12:31 PM PDT by Obadiah
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This whore will say anything for votes, just like the rest of the Rats. But had GWB taken strong measures to secure the borders, the Rats\MSM in their defining role as Hypocrites would have 'expressed outrage' that, Bush was turning America into a Nazi police state.
52 posted on 07/04/2005 3:13:41 PM PDT by SeaBiscuit (God Bless all who defend America and the rest can go to hell.)
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Why now?

What does she know that we don't know?


62 posted on 07/04/2005 3:20:09 PM PDT by pax_et_bonum (Three guys walked into a bar. The fourth one ducked.)
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Why wouldn't she pick up this issue? After all, the President certainly wasn't using it.


67 posted on 07/04/2005 3:22:23 PM PDT by SmithL (There are a lot of people that hate Bush more than they hate terrorists)
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Would someone like to point out to Mrs. Bill Clinton that it was during the Clintons' (two-for-the-price-of-one) Administration that terrorists came into America undetected and unmonitored by her husband's Immigration Service and Intelligence officials, lived in our communities, set up shop, formed cells, asked questions, learned how to fly planes, and plotted and carried out a plan (eight months after they left office) to kill thousands upon thousands of our citizens?


68 posted on 07/04/2005 3:23:17 PM PDT by loveliberty2
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The Bush Administration has acted disgracefully with regards to border security but Hillary has no leg to stand on when putting in her two cents. As co-president, she did nothing for national security. In fact, Billary made the situation a lot worse. The refusal to respond to repeated terrorist attacks (and even covering them up, in the case of OKC and TWA Flight 800) was their legacy. 9/11 was their crowning moment.


71 posted on 07/04/2005 3:25:35 PM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity ("A litany of complaints is not a plan." -- G.W. Bush, regarding Sen. Kerry's lack of vision)
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Why not?

What I cannot understand is why the Bushs keep kissing the Clinton's and Ted Kennedy's asses every opportunity they get.


77 posted on 07/04/2005 3:30:37 PM PDT by sport
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It has begun.

George W. Bush's chickens have come ome to roost.

I hope all of Bush's defenders on amnesty and lax border security realize now how horribly wrong he was on immigration, and how the GOP is threatened by Clintonian triangulation in 2006 and 2008.

78 posted on 07/04/2005 3:31:57 PM PDT by montag813
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Bill Clinton was going to seal the Mexican border. He started off with 66 mile section near San Diego. After a couple years it became obvious that we could not keep out men who were willing to risk their lives to come here to make money to feed their families so the project was abandoned.

SEALING THE BORDER HAS BEEN PROVEN IMPOSSIBLE

We tried to seal 66 miles of the border in 1994 in “Operation Gate Keeper” designed by the military. It incorporated double and triple fences (some concrete and steel), guard towers, flood lights infrared cameras, ground sensors, patrol roads, horse patrols, ATV patrols, 16 helicopters, fixed wing aircraft, unmanned aerial vehicles, trucks, and a ratio of 32 guards per mile.

If it was successful the plan was to extend it from San Diego to El Paso. It wasn’t successful at all. See Inspector General’s Report ”experienced agents were estimating it was only 5-10 percent effective”

About two hundred thousand are caught each year trying to cross, and another estimated 30 to 40 thousand make it across undetected. They dig under, climb over and break through the fences.

That’s an average of 454 to 606 per mile per year. Extrapolated just to the 2000 mile Mexican border that would be about 1.2 million border jumpers per year. And we would still have the ones who enter from Canada or by air and water or legally on temporary visas and don’t return.

81 posted on 07/04/2005 3:34:07 PM PDT by bayourod (Unless we get 40% of the Hispanic vote in 2008, President Hillary will take all your guns away.)
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Believe it. Worse, watch dozens of freepers who's sole interst is immigration jump on the Hillary bandwagon. We have some that would support the devil himself if he spewed enough venom south of the border.


84 posted on 07/04/2005 3:35:56 PM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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she is a shrewd shrew , she must think this is good timing,... here's hoping Karl and his guys know what she's got , The MSM wants her to score points


87 posted on 07/04/2005 3:42:10 PM PDT by Dad yer funny
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Put up or shut up Hillary.

You're in the Senate. You aren't getting votes for rhetoric dear. If you're serious, support legislation with teeth in it.

So far your record is a disaster on the issue.


93 posted on 07/04/2005 3:48:13 PM PDT by Soul Seeker
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