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GOP's Sen. Chuck Hagel: 'We're a Bunch of Democrats'
newsmax ^ | July 4, 2005 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 07/04/2005 9:04:08 AM PDT by ovrtaxt

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To: Camerican

"What part of what he said isn't true?!?!? Like it or not, Bush has been a fiscal disaster, a big government man (despite all his talk) a part-time free trader (only when free trade benefits the U.S.) and a most of the time protectionist in the pocket of the U.S. steel and timber industries."

If Hagel has a problem with these policies, he should start by working with the Republican caucus in the Senate to change the policies. His musing to the MSM are for his own benefit, and not for the party's.


21 posted on 07/04/2005 9:17:07 AM PDT by nj26
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To: need_a_screen_name
He opened his mouth he is a politician and he has his own pork in there.

Therefore basically everything he said cause if he told me the sun came up in the east every day, I would have to check it.

He is right about the money, but I have never heard he stand in the well and castigate his fellow demo rats, only the people across the aisle the pubbies.

22 posted on 07/04/2005 9:17:20 AM PDT by dts32041 ( Dear Senator Durbin, I am not an Illinois Nazi. (US ARMY RET))
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To: nj26

Yes.. you are part of a bunch of Rats!


23 posted on 07/04/2005 9:22:06 AM PDT by dc-zoo
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To: ovrtaxt

Hagel is right on the government growing part, but is dead wrong about the war. Someone inside the military needs to set him straight.

Being a big mouth all but antiwar dissedent within the senate is emboldening our enemies abroad, not improving the combat readiness of our forces. He, being a vietnam vet, should know and understand what bad press does.


24 posted on 07/04/2005 9:22:56 AM PDT by BoBToMatoE
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To: ovrtaxt

Well, Hagle is correct. HE is a Democrat.

Would someone please tell the Senator that the "I served in Vietnam" campaign platform didn't work for McCain. It didn't work for Kerry. And it won't work for him. People that are true heros generally don't go prancing about stating they served every other sentence. Reference Bob Dole for a true war hero.

ANY Senator that is a friend of moveon.org and al Jazeera is NOT going to win the RNC platform.


25 posted on 07/04/2005 9:24:02 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: TADSLOS

He's moving ever closer to becoming a Pat Buchanan clone.


26 posted on 07/04/2005 9:24:07 AM PDT by veronica (God bless America...)
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To: ovrtaxt
As far as the budget goes, the President only proposes the budget and submits it to the Congress.

The Congress has the sole power to change the budget in any way and form! The President then signs it after that unless he vetoes it.

Then by law, the President has, repeat, has to spend every penny of the budget. He cannot withhold any of it.

27 posted on 07/04/2005 9:24:59 AM PDT by Sen Jack S. Fogbound (Freedom comes to those who understands it!)
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To: ovrtaxt

This guy just keeps giving the Dems more quotes to use against us. Even he is really concerned, he could be working more behind the secenes to stop the big spending prokers like Stevens of Alaska. He is a media-whore like Mccain, and doesn't care if he hurts the Pubbies.


28 posted on 07/04/2005 9:25:47 AM PDT by DeweyCA
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To: ovrtaxt
At least he's honest. I changed my mind, aint none of em honest. My bad!


29 posted on 07/04/2005 9:25:50 AM PDT by unixfox (AMERICA - 20 Million ILLEGALS Can't Be Wrong!)
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To: ovrtaxt

The Republicans turned into Democrats when they approved: (a) federalizing the public school system; (b) hundreds of billions of dollars in new entitlements; (c) a 'nation-building' foreign policy.

The Democrats are just anti-Bush, regardless of the issue or the lack of consistency with what they once were (which is what the Republican Party is now, except for tax-cutting and faith-based policy).


30 posted on 07/04/2005 9:25:59 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: Sen Jack S. Fogbound

True, which is why it's a joke Hegal is trying to blame the President for spending when he's a member of the body that could lower that spending. If he's serious about cutting spending let's see him lead the effort in the Senate body to do so. If he thinks he can LEAD a country, let's see him lead cuts in spending. Build the support to do so.

He won't, he can't and this is nothing but rhetoric to score points but it won't work since the nitwit is being quoted on al Jazeera.


31 posted on 07/04/2005 9:29:04 AM PDT by Soul Seeker
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To: AntiGuv

Federalizing Education: Carteresque (and Clintonian)
New Entitlements: FDR's 'New Deal' & LBJ's 'Great Society'
Nation-Building: Wilsonian (and Clintonian)


32 posted on 07/04/2005 9:30:29 AM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: veronica

I would love to see someone with an ounce of credibility make some of these points. To bad its not happening.


33 posted on 07/04/2005 9:31:13 AM PDT by kublia khan (total war brings absolute victory)
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To: ovrtaxt

That's the winning ticket. Serving in Viet Nam!


34 posted on 07/04/2005 9:31:21 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: ovrtaxt
The Nebraska Republican complained that the U.S. doesn't "have enough troops. But I don't think the answer to increasing manpower......

Well Senator, then you MUST be for the DRAFT?

Hagel is a JOKE. He goes around the nation crying about the IRAQ quagmire, bad mouthing the POTUS and the WAR at every turn. He states OPENLY and OFTEN that we NEED more TROOPS and then dissapproves of the way in which we try to get more troops.

Another RINO who wants it BOTH ways...who offers NOTHING but criticism of policy and ideas........a complete ZERO.

35 posted on 07/04/2005 9:31:25 AM PDT by PISANO (We will not tire......We will not falter.......We will NOT FAIL!!! .........GW Bush [Oct 2001])
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To: DeweyCA

That's my suspicion too-- a McCain type.

What he SAYS is great, as far as the Goldwater thing.

What he DOES is something else again. I'm not familiar with his voting record, but I'll bet any money that it's typically flaccid.


36 posted on 07/04/2005 9:32:53 AM PDT by ovrtaxt
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To: Camerican
You're right. Reagan raised taxes on Corporations and you can count on this President Bush doing no such thing.

The President Bush won't be going to Bitburg to honor the SS either. He wouldn't even speak to Arafat!

This president would not cut and run as Reagan did in Lebanon when our Marine Barracks was bombed.

37 posted on 07/04/2005 9:33:34 AM PDT by OldFriend (AMERICAN WARS SET MEN FREE)
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To: ovrtaxt
"The Democrats are better"

-- Chuck Hagel

This is the epitaph on his presidential hopes.

38 posted on 07/04/2005 9:34:53 AM PDT by inkling
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To: Starve The Beast

In this case he's trying to swing to the right.


39 posted on 07/04/2005 9:37:30 AM PDT by SpringheelJack
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To: Camerican

"We are Democrats" ?? Speak for yourself, senator Hagel!

An article on his Presidential ambitions says that Hagel will need to do a few things ... "-- Look for him to notch up his visibility on the national stage."

Well, that is what he is doing. It's the old McCain playbook, bash other republicans and the media will be fawning all over you. He'd be a nobody if he wasn't such a loose cannon on Iraq and other issues. Now he's a media darling, expressing the media's wish for defeatist rhetoric in Iraq.

" What part of what he said isn't true?!?!? "

Hagel has been IN the Senate for years, and HE is the one blowing the spending. He has been undercutting tax cuts, he has supported IMF. He is one of them voting for more spending. He's a master of 'destructive' criticism; he'd be better off working with colleagues to put a STOP to it.

I'll give him props on one thing - he voted against the prescription drug bill ... "The only bright spot was nine courageous Republican Senators and 25 House members voted in favor of fiscal sanity and a rational health policy for seniors by voting 'NO' on this 2003 version of HillaryCare. They deserve the thanks of all Americans. The Republican Senatorial heroes voting against this irresponsible bill were: John Ensign (NV), Lindsey Graham (SC), Trent Lott (MS), Judd Gregg (NH), John McCain (AZ), Lincoln Chafee (RI), John Sununu (NH), Chuck Hagel (NE), and Don Nickles (OK) Their principled colleagues in the House were: Todd Akin (MO), J. Gresham Barrett (SC), Dan Burton (IN), Steve Chabot (OH), John Culberson (TX), Jim DeMint (SC), Jo Ann Emerson (MO), Tom Feeney (FL), Jeff Flake (AZ), Scott Garrett (NJ), Gil Gutknecht (MN), John Hostettler (IN), Walter Jones (NC), Jeff Miller (FL), Jerry Moran (KS), Marilyn Musgrave (CO), Charlie Norwood (GA), Ron Paul (TX), Mike Pence (IN), Jim Ryun (KS), John Shadegg, (AZ), Nick Smith (MI), Tom Tancredo (CO), Pat Toomey (PA), and Zach Wamp (TN). We salute their courage and pledge our support against the strong-arm tactics of the Republican leadership for whatever they decide to do in the future."

But before you break out champagne, realize that Hagel had a n alternative drug bill of his own:

"Community retail pharmacy sent a strong letter of opposition to U.S. Senators regarding Senator Chuck Hagel’s (R-NE) Medicare Prescription Drug Discount and Security Act of 2002 (S. 2736). The bill would establish a Medicare-endorsed prescription drug discount card program, similar to that proposed by the Bush Administration, which is also opposed by community pharmacy. The bill language is likely to be offered as an amendment during Senate consideration of Medicare prescription drug legislation during the week of July 22nd.

Both the National Community Pharmacists Association (NCPA) and the National Association of Chain Drug Stores (NACDS) said that the bill would create a program that would give unprecedented power to pharmacy benefit middlemen (PBMs), which would produce little prescription savings for seniors, would severely limit the ability of seniors to choose the pharmacy of their choice, and would shift patients to mail order. "
http://www.nacds.org/wmspage.cfm?parm1=2989


When a SITTING Senator *IN* the party in power tries to run against the party in power, be wary. My Gosh, do people *really* fall for this that easily?
If Hagel wanted to REALLY do something about fiscal discipline, he could WORK WITH OTHERS in the manner that Phil Gramm did, and MAKE IT HAPPEN, not whine about it not happening but doing little to stop it.

Hagel's mis-leadership on Iraq is a case in point as well - he could be advising in a positive way, but is in fact behaving in a ways destructive to our ends. he offers defeatist comments rather than constructive suggetions on how we can win.


40 posted on 07/04/2005 9:38:35 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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