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NAFTA Gives Mexicans New Reasons to Leave Home
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| 10.15.98
| Robert Collier
Posted on 07/03/2005 6:00:20 PM PDT by Coleus
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To: Dat
[It is a myth that] NAFTA will reduce illegal immigration. As manufacturing in northern Mexico expands, hundreds of thousands of Mexican workers will be drawn north. They will quickly find that wages in the Mexican maquiladora plants cannot compete with wages anywhere in the US. Out of economic necessity, many of these mobile workers will consider illegally immigrating into the US. In short, NAFTA has the potential to increase illegal immigration, not decrease it. Source: Save Your Job, Save Our Country, by Ross Perot, p. 72 Jan 1, 1993
Anti-NAFTA experts mentioned that the trade pact would undermine Mexican agriculture to the point where Mexican peasants would look for jobs in the US. That wasn't Perot's main point, but it looks like he may have been right about the overall effect on immigration to the US. Perot stressed the effect of NAFTA on American jobs, but it wasn't the whole of the argument that he and others made against NAFTA.
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posted on
07/04/2005 8:57:27 AM PDT
by
x
To: hedgetrimmer
Do you know in California farmers need to file a form if they even intend to irrigate their land? They don't if they have their own wells. Did you know that the system of dams and canals that deliver water to farms were built by the state and federal government to promote farming where natural conditions would make farming difficult?
Water rights are a big issue in areas where natural rainfall does not occur at the right time to support farming. Perhaps you think each farmer should work it out for himself? If each farmer worked it out for himself, then perhaps fewer farms would exist. That would be the free market too.
Why don't Americans demand a truly level playing field in trade, instead of allowing the third world to have the competitive advantage through trade agreements?
You don't want a level playing field, you want one that constructed to your advantage. There is no free lunch. You like the government handouts and rail against the rules that come with it.
To: John Filson
A year ago, nobody minded that jobs were being bled offshore in China and India. Now people are interested, they want to know more. Where have you been? This discussion has been going on at least since the 60s when I remember a friend's father, who was in the car business, saying "you better learn to speak Japanese".
To: lucysmom
They don't if they have their own wells.
Thats the first misunderstanding you have about the situation. Every farmer in California must file these plans or request a waiver to file one later.
Did you know that the system of dams and canals that deliver water to farms were built by the state and federal government to promote farming where natural conditions would make farming difficult?
Second complete misunderstanding. I can name you numerous water systems that were built by farmers for agriculture.
Your views appear to be those of the globalist environmentalists who want all modern agriculture to cease. You can see your views reflected in the United Nations "Global Biodiversity Assessment", where modern agriculture and irrigation are declared "unsustainable". Because the federal government has been corrupted by people with these views, you see the attacks on our agcricultural system coming from our government themselves, hence the costly bureaucratic "Intent to Irrigate" plans.
You like the government handouts and rail against the rules that come with it
I suggest you retract this statement because you are accusing me of something I've never said. In the name of fair play, you should not make false accusations against people.
To: lucysmom
I remember those discussions well. The irony is that Japan has offshored and outsourced its own economy now. When you "buy Sony," you're often buing a Chinese-built gizmo.
To: John Filson
Still, the major damage happened on Clinton's watch. Looking back a few years, Carter made similar concessions to Kim Jong Il's father. Depends on how you define major damage. NK has had Nuclear power since 1967. They signed on to the non-proliferation treaty and were subject to inspections. Now they have withdrawn from the treaty (2003) the inspectors have been kicked out and they have restarted their nuclear weapons program.
To: John Filson
You say America has the strongest economy ever?Yes!
In the 1950s America was the economy of the world.
You're funny. Yeah, all we need to do to recreate the 1950s is to destroy all of Europe's and Asia's economies. You saying we should fight WWIII so that high school graduates can have the high standard of living they had after WWII?
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posted on
07/04/2005 10:15:27 AM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
To: John Filson
We are losing our country Shhh! Take care. Statements like that could convert you to non-person status like PJB!
Not prudent since the New World Order was proclaimed.
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posted on
07/04/2005 10:19:00 AM PDT
by
iconoclast
(Conservative, not partisan..)
To: John Filson
The equity on Wall Street is already more than 50% owned by foreigners and foreign interests. Because of my previous experiences with protectionists and their very weak math skills, I'll have to ask you what you think US equities are currently worth and where you got the absurd idea that foreigners own more than 50%? Link maybe?
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posted on
07/04/2005 10:26:21 AM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
To: Coleus
I understand the antipathy that most Mexicans feel toward the US ("Mexico so far from God, so close to the United States") but Mexicans must realize their country is becoming little more than an empty shell.
The popular belief is that oil is Mexico's greatest asset, but its greatest asset is its people, and they are desert- ing the country as do rats from a sinking ship.
This statement should not be taken to mean that Mexicans are rats, but simply that rats - despite popular belief -are intelligent creatures with a strong survival instinct; they know when a ship is sinking or a house burning and leave ASAP.
To: Toddsterpatriot
Because of my previous experiences with protectionists "free traders" and their very weak math citizenship skills, I'll have to ask you where you got the absurd idea that "free trade" is good for anybody but those who want the global socialist WTO to manage the trade of our sovereign nation?
To: hedgetrimmer
I'll have to ask you where you got the absurd idea that "free trade" is good for anybody but those who want the global socialist WTO to manage the trade of our sovereign nation? Loosen that tin foil hat during this hot weather or else you'll get heat stroke.
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posted on
07/04/2005 10:59:39 AM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
To: x; Dat; A. Pole; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones
Of course NAFTA is the major cause of illegal immigration from Mexico.
Globalism has also made many American factory towns into near ghost towns, throwing Americans out of their livelihoods, homes, and neighborhoods.
Globalists remind me of those dictators--like Stalin--who forcibly uproot millions of people to make them live and work in ways the dictators consider more efficient.
Free trade ideology is doing the same thing: uprooting people and turning their lives upside down . . .
. . . but under the excuse that it's not the globalists, but the "free market" doing it.
Like Stalin and other perpetrators of mass economic migration failures . . .
. . . the instigators of free trade say all the suffering of their victims is for their own good and they should just suck it up . . .
. . . and let the globalists do what the globalists think is best for everybody.
To: Toddsterpatriot; hedgetrimmer; A. Pole
Loosen that tin foil hat during this hot weather or else you'll get heat stroke. Then I'd better loosen mine and Jefferson needed to loosen his:
"Merchants have no country. The mere spot they stand on does not constitute so strong an attachment as that from which they draw their gains." -Thomas Jefferson
To: Age of Reason
Of course NAFTA is the major cause of illegal immigration from Mexico. No it isn't. The major cause is the politicians from both parties who refuse to build a wall and deport illegals.
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posted on
07/04/2005 11:18:19 AM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
To: Age of Reason
Then I'd better loosen mine and Jefferson needed to loosen his: Why don't you and Jefferson name a few protectionist countries that have better economies than free trade America?
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posted on
07/04/2005 11:20:07 AM PDT
by
Toddsterpatriot
(If you agree with Marx, the AFL-CIO and E.P.I. please stop calling yourself a conservative!!)
To: John Filson
Native-born American birthrates were very high in the 1950s. Now they're practically negative. Many young American couples realize that they can't support a large family when they are also forced to support the welfare state too.
To: JarheadFromFlorida
Not a bit, but I'm a stickler for accuracy, and I won't even let unfounded charges against Slick slide.
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posted on
07/04/2005 12:24:52 PM PDT
by
Melas
(Lives in state of disbelief)
To: Melas
[[Not a bit, but I'm a stickler for accuracy, and I won't even let unfounded charges against Slick slide.]]
Oh, so you are saying that Slick Willy is not an impeached, disgraced, disbarred ex-president? What is he then? I await your explaination.
To: JarheadFromFlorida
You're setting a new record for reading way too much into way too little. I'll be clear, I meant that you were wrong about who signed NAFTA, period. That an nothing more. All this pro-Clinton BS is all in your mind.
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posted on
07/04/2005 12:44:55 PM PDT
by
Melas
(Lives in state of disbelief)
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