Posted on 07/02/2005 6:33:40 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
People seem to think that way. After all, she might be able to get a job on a road crew picking up rocks.
Pretty scary to see the folks on the website that busted the CBS memos not checking things out before going ballistic...
Don't scare me like that Gabz. I know, it would be hard to teach those little ones to respect their families, reading, writing, math, to work hard, and all of those other terrible things. Man, what would I do? I'd be having lunch with judges and lawyers. The thought of it makes me cringe.
I meant, it would be hard NOT to teach......
What was the little girl's crime?
TRUE..."Individual Responsibility"..short and concise. :-|
The thought makes me cringe as well.
The biggest problem I have with this entire scenario is the firing of the teacher.....that alone makes the rest of the principal's action suspect in my book.
Me too. There was this principal at the school where I student taught. The teacher I student taught for had won awards for her mentoring and teaching. But this new principal had it in for her. On her evaluations, the principal marked her way down and put her on probation. Then the next time she marked her way up, and said, "I made this bad teacher improve." She then had the teacher go from third grade to sixth the next year. I've been lucky to have good principals, but you never know.
Sometimes I agree with you, but in this case putting a ten year old girl alone next to a public highway is criminal. Who cares if there is a chain link fence or a camera? Fences can be hopped and cameras ignored.
Public schools get more corrupt by the day.
I agree with both of you on some things actually. There are a lot of stories that get slanted, especially with the mainstream media the way it is. BUT the principal was mostly wrong on this case.
I don't agree with it being used to make general statements that everything is that way. The liberals do that too often anyways.
I agree the more facts we find tell the story..however, when a freeper jumps on and instead of just offering more facts to the story ...plays elitist..calling "vitriolic Freepers ...shame shame shame". Facts are welcomed.
The teachers seem to take the side of the 4th grade girl. The other story I posted on past punishment in the school gave a further history of this school official. I think there was unrest in this school perhaps festering between teachers and the principal etc.
Without actually seeing the layout of the grounds would be difficult to form a full picture of the environment she was in..road/woods..fence(condition of fence)..security cameras.
I guess a chain gang mentality to correct a student is out of my relm of reasoning as there had to be another form of punishment besides rock "pickin" and suspension..one alternative to the other.
Just my opinion.
Respect yours as well.
F_T_D
I would venture to say that having a good principal has a great deal to do with the quality of education in a given school. I think the principal in my daughter's school does an outstanding job and all the teacher's I know have said that he is a great administrator and that morale among teachers and support staff is at an all time high. Enough that several teachers from another school in the district where there have been some problems with the principal have been trying to transfer to this school.
Hopefully since that principal retired this year the kids and staff will luck out with a principal such as ours.
Hopefully since that principal retired this year the kids and staff will luck out with a principal such as ours.
Very much agreed and I would add that the efforts of the teachers and the attitude of the community also are factors in the quality too.
I do hate to say this, but at least here, most of the "bad" principals have been female (though there are VERY VERY good ones as well). I've never had a female one yet though.
Since you're here Gabz to "man" the fort, I've gotta run. Got to go to a couple of religious meetings where my students are taking part. Bye for now.
Interesting you say that. The prinicpal in our school is a man and the one in the school with the problems was a woman.
I won't make the obvious sarcastic remark for which you left me an openning :)
You have a great day.
Interesting you say that. The prinicpal in our school is a man and the one in the school with the problems was a woman.
It may be because some may think they need to "prove something." I'm not sure.
I did have one once at the night school where I taught. She told me to fax her some test results, but gave me the wrong phone number. I tried, but couldn't fax them. She burst into my classroom that night and yelled at me for not faxing them. I didn't take too kindly at that and explained that she had given me the wrong phone number. She slinked out without even an apology.
Sorry, you too:).
My children's principal is outstanding. I am hoping she sticks around until the two year old gets out of Elementary school.
We also had severe problems in our "Sixth Grade Academy" (All six graders go to a stand alone school)with the last principal, who was male. Since the school was taken over by a woman, things have improved so much. The problems have virtually disappeared, and the staff is no longer considering fleeing.
I think you and others may be bringing in a red herring to this argument. The problem isn't that the girl was punished. Heck yeah, she should be punished for not doing homework. I'm not seeing anyone arguing otherwise. But is this punishment appropriate? So what if the parents agreed? Parents agree to let their kids stay with Michael Jackson, too. The punishment didn't fit the offense. What next? Kindergarteners painting the schoolhouse because they spilled their milk? First graders put in thumb screws because they fail a test? Summary executions for high schoolers who are tardy? Cutting off hands from fifth graders who take a pencil from another student's desk?
This principal meted out a punishment that was not appropriate, then fired a teacher who dared call him on it, as though this were a dictatorship, not a school district. Other teachers resigned in protest, obviously supporting the teacher in this, not the principal/superintendant.
Every Napoleon has his Waterloo. It's a shame this one involved a little girl. I hope her parents are ashamed they went along with this punishment, I hope they find a more appropriate way to get the girl to do her homework,and I hope this principal is never allowed to work with children again.
I know and I shouldn't have implied it was a blanket statement. It depends upon the individual. My high school principal was the best I've ever seen. He had the irony of being hired from the very school he had flunked out of (he went back and graduated and then got some degrees while serving for years in the military too--he was a brigadier general).
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