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TAKING BACK THE SCHOOLS (Teachers thought girl's punishment was too harsh and dangerous)
This is True ^ | 26 June 2005 Current Issue | Randy Cassingham

Posted on 07/02/2005 6:33:40 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: fight_truth_decay
Link to same story with more object writing

The girl was given a choice. She was refusing to do her homework. The parents consented. The rocks were within a fenced playground. She was under supervision by a security camera.

It's amazing how how vitriolic Freepers can get because a public school is the setting even though the story is obviously slanted.

Shame. Shame. Shame.

21 posted on 07/02/2005 7:24:01 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (Some say what's good for others, the others make the goods; it's the meddlers against the peddlers)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Sounds like things are wound a little tight in Kansas City, Mo


22 posted on 07/02/2005 7:25:59 AM PDT by Vision (When Hillary Says She's Going To Put The Military On Our Borders...She Becomes Our Next President)
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To: SouthernFreebird

"I would be sueing for all I could, perhaps then they will do something about getting rid of the idiot taskmaster."

FWIW OSHA would abolutely cream any forman who sent a worker out to that exact spot to do that exact work with out "traffic control, a hard hat, a visibility enhancing vest" and, depending upon other circumstances, ear and eye protection.


23 posted on 07/02/2005 7:32:42 AM PDT by TalBlack
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To: SouthernFreebird
"I would sue to force them to remove this fool. Obviously they intend to support him therefor if he became an expensive liability they might think twice about keeping this egomaniac in a position of power. I don't agree with people sueing at the drop of a hat but c'mon this man is a danger to all the children in his care. He should be fired immediately."

I probably agree with you and again my approach would have been to work things out with the parents in some fashion. I really don't agree with him lowering the boom on the teacher either.

Sometimes in education it is darned if you do and darned if you don't. I don't think it applies in this case, but it seems that way in some situations.

We can find egomaniacs in many jobs. They're one type of person I just don't get along with.

24 posted on 07/02/2005 7:33:07 AM PDT by moog
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To: fight_truth_decay

The principal sounds like a real ass. But remember to always support publak educayshun.


25 posted on 07/02/2005 7:34:05 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: TalBlack
FWIW OSHA would abolutely cream any forman who sent a worker out to that exact spot to do that exact work with out "traffic control, a hard hat, a visibility enhancing vest" and, depending upon other circumstances, ear and eye protection.

Good point.

26 posted on 07/02/2005 7:34:42 AM PDT by moog
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
The girl was given a choice. She was refusing to do her homework. The parents consented. The rocks were within a fenced playground. She was under supervision by a security camera.

Those pesky facts.....thanks for the link.

27 posted on 07/02/2005 7:35:33 AM PDT by ScreamingFist (Peace through Ignorance)
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To: Jokelahoma
CUT from
Objected to girl's punishment

The fired teacher, Christa Price, went to the principal -- who is also the district superintendent -- and asked him to reconsider the punishment, but he wouldn't. So on her free period, Price helped the girl pick up rocks. Other teachers watched the girl the next day.

Ted Feinberg, assistant executive director of the National Association of School Psychologists, questioned Doerhoff's decision to have elementary pupils pick up rocks.

“Is he a feudal lord building a pyramid?” Feinberg asked from his office in Bethesda, Md. “School discipline is not the same as hard labor in prison.

“School discipline needs to have an educational purpose. What was he teaching this girl — how to pick up rocks? This would only cause frustration, anger, embarrassment and more oppositional behavior.”

At contract time in March, Supt. Dan Doerhoff recommended firing Price, a popular teacher with good performance evaluations, for insubordination. Seven other teachers chose not to return their contracts.

''If a teacher who advocates on behalf of safety of a student is not fit to be a teacher at East Lynne or anywhere in Missouri according to this administration, then none of us are fit to teach at East Lynne,'' the teachers who resigned said Tuesday in a statement.

One of the teachers who resigned, Jenny Neemann, said having a security camera on the area where the girl worked wasn't enough.

''Somebody could have nabbed her in 10 seconds,'' she said.

Doerhoff ...dropped the punishment of picking up rocks because of the uproar.

Kansas City Star and Springfield, Missouri News-Leader via
http://www.susanohanian.org/

28 posted on 07/02/2005 7:35:43 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

The punishment of the girl can be debated.

But the principal fired a teacher, who ON HER OWN TIME, helped the girl pick up rocks.

Would you fire Christ for the same thing?


29 posted on 07/02/2005 7:36:31 AM PDT by linkinpunk
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
I read the story and it makes no difference. She was still unsupervised. As for her parents they weren't exactly given much choice, either suspension which can cost you repeating that grade or being left alone at home while parents work or the principles way, picking up rocks. I'm guessing they were never told she would be unsupervised during the day while picking up those rocks.

When I went to school we had inside supsension where you sit in one classroom in one desk for a couple days and catch up on all your missed work. That sounds like a better option to me. But I don't think the principle was looking for a solution as much as he was looking to flex his muscle.

30 posted on 07/02/2005 7:42:43 AM PDT by SouthernFreebird
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

I have posted stories from two newspapers and other reputable sources so before you say shame shame shame I suggest you read more than one article from Boston.com..and also QUOTES from other teachers, community, parents and other professionals.

You are the one that needs to do your homework..so what if she didn't do her homework..and it is also stated that there was a security camera..so what? Your point is? You might take the time to read the sources I provided before YOU formed your own opinion. We are not amateurs here in seaching out the truth..which is what YOU must believe.

Regards
fight_truth_decay

Note: My first source (link) is recommended by Fox's Rosen...and ironically by the New York Times. Randy Cassingham has a following from many of the news media for finding the unusual.


31 posted on 07/02/2005 7:45:35 AM PDT by fight_truth_decay
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To: SouthernFreebird
When I went to school we had inside supsension where you sit in one classroom in one desk for a couple days and catch up on all your missed work. That sounds like a better option to me. But I don't think the principle was looking for a solution as much as he was looking to flex his muscle.

They still have that in my area and I agree, it would have been a much better option. Thanks for saying it.

32 posted on 07/02/2005 7:47:39 AM PDT by moog
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To: fight_truth_decay
"Randy Cassingham has a following from many of the news media for finding the unusual."

Another Randy fan??? Cool. I will become a premium subscriber one of these days. I will say that he does have political biases sometimes, but I love his columns.

33 posted on 07/02/2005 7:49:06 AM PDT by moog
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To: linkinpunk

Absolutely amazing comments. I once worked at a high school nearby, and I admired the way the principal had some unruly students police the grounds when they were sent to his office.


34 posted on 07/02/2005 7:50:07 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Drew68

They move up because it is government - where no one is responsible for anything, and no one is held accountable for anything.


35 posted on 07/02/2005 7:50:08 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - there are countless observable clues that God exists)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
The girl was given a choice. She was refusing to do her homework. The parents consented. The rocks were within a fenced playground. She was under supervision by a security camera.

All hail the omnipotent State!

And its agents.

36 posted on 07/02/2005 7:50:38 AM PDT by headsonpikes ("The U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government.")
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To: DennisR
They move up because it is government - where no one is responsible for anything, and no one is held accountable for anything.

Boy I wish that were the case in my school district.

37 posted on 07/02/2005 7:56:59 AM PDT by moog
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To: headsonpikes
All hail the omnipotent State! And its agents.

They are doing "intelligence" gathering. Sometimes it is bad and sometimes good.

38 posted on 07/02/2005 7:58:14 AM PDT by moog
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To: fight_truth_decay
the district cannot afford to pay off his contract

Sounds like this little hitler could not stand up to an investigation of any rigor. It will be easy to find a reason to fire his ass for cause.

39 posted on 07/02/2005 7:58:30 AM PDT by Haru Hara Haruko
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To: fight_truth_decay
was assigned the task in September for refusing to do her schoolwork, but she was unsupervised except for a security camera

The girl, whose name was not released, told The Kansas City Star that the assignment ''made me feel like a slave." Her mother said she and her husband had agreed to the rock-gathering punishment,

The girl shouldn't have to do her homework. She doesn't need an education, everyone will be glad to pay her welfare checks later on.

40 posted on 07/02/2005 7:59:00 AM PDT by SouthTexas
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