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Reporters Ask Judge for Home Detention
Washington Post ^ | July 2, 2005 | Carol D. Leonnig

Posted on 07/02/2005 1:48:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: xzins
BIG difference. Every jurisdiction recognizes doctor-patient privilege, lawyer-client privilege, penitent privilege, spousal privilege by LAW[statute, precedent, etc]. Some states have expanded the spousal privilege to include parent-child . States that want to protect reporters enact shield laws that grants them a privilege that has no history in Anglo-American jurisprudence [unlike the others]. Don't like the lack of privilege-go to the appropriate legislative body. As for me, I was a prosecutor for 26 years. Burn 'em.
41 posted on 07/02/2005 10:21:40 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: PzLdr

Disagree. If I go to the legislative branch about it, then I'm doing what is forbidden: making a law abridging.

It's a specified constitutional issue, and therefore, not one for the states to determine. It is inappropriate, by the way, for the states to say anything via a law about priest/penitent, either. "No law" = no law.

That right is constitutional whether the legislature acknowledges it or not.


42 posted on 07/02/2005 11:31:52 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
No. It's not. The other privileges were recognized well before the Constitution. The Founders and the original 13 never contemplated a Shield Law.They merely guaranteed the press the right to print what it wished [to Thomas Jefferson's eventual chagrine] What you are doing is providing a protection that does not apply to the profession of journalism, and allowing people not protected to disobey the laws that apply to every other citizen, absent a recognized privilege. And if your reasoning was the norm, so many states, including New York, wouldn't enact Shield Laws for journalists-there'd be no need- a position even the liberal idiots on the bench in this state have never recognized.
43 posted on 07/02/2005 11:51:11 AM PDT by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Woliff
I think it's the opposite. I think they let the higher level know but the local cops and magistrates were not in on it. The US gave the Italian government plausible deniability-they have to live there, I guess is the reasoning.
44 posted on 07/02/2005 1:45:12 PM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: xzins
Do take the 2nd Amendment symbolically, too?

Not if you're in front of me. (LOL - that is a JOKE son, not to be taken literally or construed as any sort of threat, so relax.)

Seriously now...

The bottom line to this nonsense is that you've got two reporters who defied a grand jury, their testimony would have been protected had they cooperated, but they chose to show their ass not only to that grand jury, but to the entire judicial system.

There is absolutely NO 'right' to keep anonymous sources anonymous. Find it in the Constitution, and don't hide behind the First Amendment, because the press is obligated to use that Amendment with a certain degree of responsibility, which Cooper and Miller did not.

But even giving those two chowderheads the benefit of the doubt, they were allowed to play the journalistic martyrs while their peers all said Hail Woodwards and Hail Bernsteins, and they fought it all the way to the Supreme Court, who turned 'em down flat, and essentially told them to either comply with the Court, or go to jail.

They not only have NO right to protect anonymous sources (especially if under subpoena from a federal grand jury), but they have NO right to demand a certain sentence, indeed it is the height of hypocrisy for those two clowns to now urge the very court they showed such blatant contempt for, to "go easy on them".

As for your conjuring up the Second Amendment, nice try but no cigar.

The Second Amendment is not absolute, and is not without responsibilities for the gun owner. And there ARE limitations, i.e., I doubt that a 2nd Amendment argument can be made for the private ownership of mothballed 16 inch guns from the U.S.S. New Jersey. Likewise, the freedom that reporters have under the First Amendment is not absolute, it comes with responsibilties, and that's the way it should be.
45 posted on 07/02/2005 2:25:10 PM PDT by Mad Mammoth
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To: Mad Mammoth; PzLdr; blue-duncan
Again, I will always advocate that no law = no law. I am certain it means that in religious areas, so I must have it mean that in other parts of the same sentence. Otherwise, I acknowledge that it doesn't mean that in religious concerns.

I own a lot of guns, mm, so I get the joke. :>)

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

There were "regular" troops in the military and there were the "irregulars." The militia were always "irregulars." One wanted to provide some "regulation" to the Militia so that it would be an effective force in the protection of a nation. Therefore, "a well-'regulated' Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State" means that the irregulars require common elements to make them lethal. This thought stands alone.

Therefore, the 2nd Amendment is inviolable, and ultimately for the security of the nation. It, too, stands alone.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Incidentally, there is no way that the National Guard or Reserve fit this description. They obviously are "regulars," and are equipped as regulars....tanks, planes, artillery, etc.

A Militia is always irregular.

46 posted on 07/02/2005 7:03:57 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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To: xzins
If they don't apply to the press, then how is the press being charged for violating them?

This is where we part ways. The law was not written specifically to force reporters to give up their sources. The law was written to compel any person with knowledge of a crime to supply that information when asked by the proper authority. The 'press' is not being charged with violating the law - two individual citizens, who also happen to be reporters, are being charged.

It sounds like you believe that reporters should be above the laws the rest of us have to obey, just by virtue of their choice of careers. I could not disgree more vehemently. No one should be above the law, including reporters, judges, congressmen and presidents. If you don't like the law, lobby to have it chaged for everyone.

47 posted on 07/03/2005 7:29:43 AM PDT by CA Conservative
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To: CA Conservative

The question we have to answer is simple. Were the reporters in the process of gathering information from a source or did they just stumble across a crime?


48 posted on 07/03/2005 6:23:56 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It!)
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