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Pressed by a New Invasion of Yankees, Schools of the New South Resegregate
Newhouse News ^ | 7/30/2005 | Jonathan Tilove

Posted on 06/30/2005 12:31:58 PM PDT by Incorrigible

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To: HostileTerritory
The price of admission's a bit higher up north.

Oh really? Have you priced real estate in the Southern areas where the yankees flooding?

Plus our taxes are going up, regulations are increasing, as is crime. And the quality of living is going down.

The damn yankees sure do have a way of 'improving' things.

41 posted on 06/30/2005 1:12:09 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: HostileTerritory
It's got to be tough in the South--you get all the people who can't hack it in the northeast so they move to where they think the competition is easier, but then they find they're out of their element.

Actually we are moving here becasue companies realized they couldn't compete with a work force comprised of gap toothed, inbred hicks. So they imported a more talented group of people.

42 posted on 06/30/2005 1:12:59 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: NativeNewYorker
But you know there are good NYC schools and bad NYC schools.  Same in urban New Jersey.

From what I've heard over the years, the integrated schools in the South were OK.  And obviously the environment attracted a lot of migrating northerners.

This article reflects in a more geographically spaced way the same dynamics that occur even between NYC and it's suburbs.  Rich liberals move out to the suburbs and talk all nice talk about how open minded they are but move to the most expensive areas and chat only with their likeminded folks.  Upper Monclair and Monclair in New Jersey is a microcosm of this effect.

I don't like their attitude when rich libs with attitude move to my suburb and turn it from red to blue and I'm sure traditional southerners don't care for it either.

43 posted on 06/30/2005 1:14:29 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Blzbba
That's pretty much what most Yankees do - Leave the Northeast for the South and then bitch that the South isn't as good as the Northeast whilst trying to ruin their new locale.

Could you point me to closest bagel shop? ;) Had never, seen, nor heard of a bagel before I was close to 20. And then it was only because yankees were complaining there were none down here

44 posted on 06/30/2005 1:14:35 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: Incorrigible; Blzbba; cowboyway

Does "Yankee" = "white, self-satisfied northern liberal" now? Or does it still refer to all who aren't from the South? (I'm originally from northern Delaware, and only half white, so where exactly do I stand?)


45 posted on 06/30/2005 1:15:36 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: Incorrigible
Educational testing -- including that mandated by the federal No Child Left Behind law -- allows affluent white movers to consult the numbers and buy homes near schools replete with others like themselves, segregating in streamlined fashion.

Gee. I was unaware that the academic achievement numbers listed the races of the students. Or is it that when the people involved are looking to move, "people like me" doesn't mean "white people", it means "people who give a shit about how good their kids do in school."

"It's `I, I, I, me, me, me,"' said Richard McElrath, a retired teacher and founder of Parents United for Education. In his view, Huntersville's hunger for more schools or its own district would consign children of the poor -- black and now also Hispanic -- to increasing isolation in the city.

No, it's "My kid, my kid."

Why would anyone expect people with means to voluntarily choose to send their kids to a school that has average scores lower than other schools they can also send their kids to.

I have a question for Mr. McElrath. Why is it that when white people move into the area and seek to put their kids into high-performing schools, the result is to re-segregate those schools?

And if the answer is "Black and Hispanic kids don't do as well in school as white kids do," what are you doing about that? What are you doing to solve the cause of the problem, instead of the symptoms? What are you doing to improve the academic performance of these kids and the attitudes of their families?

I was present in Boston when busing was ordered to achieve desegregation. In that case, the judge found that the Boston School Board was already busing minority kids past majority-white schools near their neighborhood to majority-minority schools farther away, in order to achieve segregation. So he ordered changes. I'm all for desegregation. I think it does advance a laudable social goal. But if you don't also do something to fix the academic problems, it doesn't advance educational goals.

46 posted on 06/30/2005 1:16:59 PM PDT by RonF
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To: Phantom Lord

LOL.


47 posted on 06/30/2005 1:17:27 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: Irontank

"wanting to live with people of your own race is human nature"
Hmmmm.... Well,I'm human too and I see no intrinsic virtue about living in the all white towns I grew up in the Fifties.Lots of great folks but a lot of jackasses also.
Now I live in a very"integrated"city on the West Coast and guess what?A lot of great folks and we also have our share of jackasses of all colors as well.
Yet I think my integrated area is more healthy in many ways.I enjoy the cultural mosaic which is not to say I would be overjoyed to live totally in their culture but some exposure is positive.
As for integration of the schools,I have the same philosophy.I grew up with many many very cruel and obnoxious white kids.Very painful.Yet I see in my city's schools that black and Mexican kids can be very cruel and nasty TO EACH OTHER!Yet there are many gems here too and those are the ones I try to reach and cultivate their talents and dreams.
Again,it is not about groups,its about individuals.


48 posted on 06/30/2005 1:19:17 PM PDT by Riverman94610
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To: cowboyway

Hey, if growth is such a problem, stop building houses and selling them to Yankees. No one's forcing you to put up all those roads and developments.


49 posted on 06/30/2005 1:19:20 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: HostileTerritory; Phantom Lord

I'm glad you got the joke. I though P L was in for a world of hurt! (As they say down south.)


50 posted on 06/30/2005 1:20:18 PM PDT by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: cowboyway
The price of admission's a bit higher up north.

Oh really? Have you priced real estate in the Southern areas where the yankees flooding

As a yankee from NY moved to Raleigh, I can say with much personal experience that the price of admission is far more up north.

My M-I-L's home in Huntington Station NY could easily sell for $700,000. Easy. Move it to a ritzy part of Cary, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, etc... You would get $350,000 tops, in a strong sellers market.

51 posted on 06/30/2005 1:20:35 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Pyro7480
Does "Yankee" = "white, self-satisfied northern liberal" now? Or does it still refer to all who aren't from the South?

Yankee = arrogant, smug, northerner of any color, religion, creed or political persuasion that leave their schithole in the north, moves down South and immediately begins to proclaim to anybody that will listen how they used to do it and how great it was up north.

They quite often end up with an ass kickin.

52 posted on 06/30/2005 1:21:36 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: Incorrigible

Well, I live in the northern Heart of Darkness--I'm not the one you need to worry about getting the joke!


53 posted on 06/30/2005 1:21:58 PM PDT by HostileTerritory
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To: billbears

My wifes grandfather was a bagel baker from the time he got out of the army at the end of WWII until just 3 years ago. Best damn bagels I have ever had. He even made Bagel Bread. Best bread I have ever had in my life. I still complain to him every time I see him that he retired.


54 posted on 06/30/2005 1:22:29 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: CatoRenasci

I remember an interview with a ball player from down South somewhere who once said something along the lines of, "I was 14 before I learned that when you go deer hunting you're supposed to get out of the car before you shoot."


55 posted on 06/30/2005 1:23:05 PM PDT by RonF
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To: AppyPappy

Private School is not this massive expense you'd all make it out to be

You can put your child in a Catholic elementary school down here for 300 a month, and you only pay this for 9 months. And if you send multiple children to the school, even further discount.

But most people would rather have the fancy house/SUV then have a good education for their children.

If the choice is the new Explorer or sending the child to private school, send them to private school, because your children deserve it. Whats more important, your children or your car.


56 posted on 06/30/2005 1:23:40 PM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: Incorrigible

My sarcasm is well known.


57 posted on 06/30/2005 1:23:51 PM PDT by Phantom Lord (Fall on to your knees for the Phantom Lord)
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To: Blzbba

As a teenage sailor I had to listen to constant gloating by those who were fortunate enough to have grown up in such paradises as Detroit, Chicago, New York and Philadelphia while I was just a poor Southern boy from South Carolina. Now the same gloaters are moving down here and amazingly enough many of them seem to have forgotten why they moved.

Oh, how I wish I could spend one hour in the South that used to be before the invaders from the North came here to finish what Sherman started.


58 posted on 06/30/2005 1:24:32 PM PDT by RipSawyer
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To: Phantom Lord
Move it to a ritzy part of Cary, Raleigh, Chapel Hill, etc

I lived in Raleigh. I'm originally from NC. Homes in the 'ritzy' part of Raleigh go for quite a bit more than $350K.

BTW, why don't you go back home?

59 posted on 06/30/2005 1:24:59 PM PDT by cowboyway (My heroes have always been cowboys.)
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To: Incorrigible
"Good" nyc public schools are few and far between, and there's lots of competition to live in the "right" place to get in.

There's also substantial fraud to game the system to get into the few "good" schools.

At the high school level, it's VERY competitive to get into the top schools, and by all accounts, you don't want to send your kids to the run-of-the-mill highs.

As I have lived in NYC most of my life, and never lived in a suburb, I can't comment on what the ex-pats do/think. I *do* know several families who left NYC for CT because their kids didn't get into a decent private school here.

This really all boils down to the madness of government schooling linked to specific pieces of real estate.

60 posted on 06/30/2005 1:25:16 PM PDT by NativeNewYorker (Don't blame me. I voted for Sharpton.)
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