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"AS IRAQI'S STAND UP, WE WILL STAND DOWN", BUSH TELLS NATION
Aemed Forces Press Service ^ | 06/28/05 | John D. Banusiewicz

Posted on 06/28/2005 8:09:35 PM PDT by smoothsailing

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To: ntnychik

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61 posted on 06/29/2005 5:32:15 AM PDT by Peach
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To: ValenB4
Not even the neocons believe Laurie Mylroie. She's a nut. If those links had any validity, then the White House would be screaming it from the top of their lungs all day in order to avoid the mess it's in now. Believe what you what. There's no reason to let reality intrude. Just don't be surprised when things don't work out.

Just what planet are you on? IF those links are valid?

Are you unaware that the Clinton Justice Department DID get a federal indictment against OBL which cited his connections to Iraq? Those links, and more, take you to dozens of articles the MSM wrote about OBL's growing relationship to Saddam. It's not what I wish to believe.

And regarding Mylroie, you are aware she was one of Clinton's terrorist czar's, aren't you? You seem so unaware of some real basic facts that perhaps you did not know that either.

62 posted on 06/29/2005 5:36:25 AM PDT by Peach
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To: Peach

Then why doesn't the Bush administration make those claims? After all of the things they said that turned out to be flimsy and false, the fact that they don't rely on those sources tells me that they are even less reliable. Mylroie's a quack and is rightfully ignored. It doesn't say much that you have to regurgitate the incompetence of the Clinton administration in order to hold onto a fantasy. Why should I believe you when I've been consistently correct thanks to people like Jude Wanniski, Gordon Prather, Juan Cole, and others who openly predicted before the war that no WMD would be found and have continued to be correct alot more than not. If they had been proven wrong, I wouldn't trust them. But because you believe the wrong sources, you will continue to be wrong and frustrated and I will continue to be correct.


63 posted on 06/29/2005 5:59:53 AM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: ValenB4

You seem to miss the point.

The MSM and Democrats constantly tells us that there was no relationship between AQ/Iraq.

Dozens of those links, including the Senate Ingellince Committee Report and the 9/11 Committee report prove the MSM and Democrats are wrong.

Regarding WMD, you are aware, or perhaps not, that when Clinton signed the Iraqi Liberation Act, every Democrat of note took to the airwaves and claimed that Iraq and their WMD were a threat to the US. Kerry was advocating American boots on the ground.

If our intelligence was wrong, so be it; every single other country with an intelligence service thought Iraq had WMD too.

And you are aware, I presume, that many WMD hunters have said they believe WMD were transferred from Iraq to Syria before we arrived. Colin Powell even showed satellite footage at the UN of convoys of trucks leaving Iraq for the Syrian border.


64 posted on 06/29/2005 6:08:10 AM PDT by Peach
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To: onedoug

You're making some progress. Keep up the good work.


65 posted on 06/29/2005 6:29:00 AM PDT by plain talk
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To: Marine_Uncle
We can surely bet next weeks chicken that the Marines and Army are trying to convince the mayor and tribal leaders of that city that if the shit continues, they are in for a very unpleasant surprise.

I hope you're right, but at this point, I don't think the President or his closest military advisors have the guts to do the right thing by our troops in this regard. We're going to sacrifice American lives in order to protect a bunch of terrorist sympathizers.

The accomplishments of the Iraqi people for the next thousand years aren't worth the life of the least of the people we've lost over there.

66 posted on 06/29/2005 6:52:09 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: pollyannaish

I have no idea how any of that related to my post.


67 posted on 06/29/2005 8:50:23 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: pollyannaish
But the insurgents are not the one's we need to convince.

I think my point was the bad guys are going to know far in advance when we are winding down operations and preparing to pull out. It wont be a secret.

68 posted on 06/29/2005 9:05:52 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: Black Tooth
I may have misunderstood you. I thought your were saying that we needed to go ahead and announce our pull out date because the insurgents will know when we are leaving anyway.

But...it was late, I was tired...and totally missed the point I guess. Sorry!

69 posted on 06/29/2005 9:58:20 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Peach
Nope. My sources of keeping up with the news are mostly on the right, except for Juan Cole, who is a lefty, but very detailed in his analysis. Go over to his site, www.juancole.com, and read what he says about the Kurds. You get really interesting insight into the depths of the byzantine complexities of Iraqi politics... which makes it even more difficult if not impossible for the US to successfully resolve. Go check it out. It's very educational.

There were a lot of people who didn't believe WMD would be found, but nobody wanted to listen to them. I don't rely on what Clinton and the Democrats have to say, as they are liars too. And nobody believes that WMD were moved to Syria. That is science fiction.

If you want to complain about Islam and its inherent backwardness and insanity, I'm with you. I'm not some pacifist. That's the big problem of the world, how to deal with Islam and it's inability to produce successful societies. This war in Iraq does nothing to change the nature of Islam. That's why it is doomed to fail. Bush can't even bring himself to identify the problem - but he's not alone in that. If we attack Iran, then we are true idiots because we will have wiped out whatever pro-American feelings the Iranian people have.

70 posted on 06/29/2005 10:00:51 AM PDT by ValenB4 ("Every system is perfectly designed to get the results it gets." - Isaac Asimov)
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To: Black Tooth
I agree. In addition, I'm believe by the time we leave it will be clear that the bad guys lost and very badly, so it's not going to matter anyway. They will be on to something else—or gone completely.

Am I getting closer? Ha!

71 posted on 06/29/2005 10:00:57 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

"Everyone except democrats."

Liberal Democrats don't understand because they are immature,shallow,selfish,self-important demagogues with excrement for brains , whose lust for power is greater than their love of our country.


72 posted on 06/29/2005 10:01:54 AM PDT by DarthVader (Always ready to educate liberals by beating them profusely about the head with a Louisville Slugger.)
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To: pollyannaish

No problem.

As far as not announcing a pull out date, it really doesn't matter since the terrorist, and everyone else will know way in advance anyway.


73 posted on 06/29/2005 10:01:57 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: DarthVader

Couldn't be said better.


74 posted on 06/29/2005 10:19:07 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

Thank you! ;-) They are also arrogant enough to think that a lot of us do not know what is true about them.


75 posted on 06/29/2005 10:25:23 AM PDT by DarthVader (Always ready to educate liberals by beating them profusely about the head with a Louisville Slugger.)
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To: Black Tooth
Yes. This is why I should never be allowed to read after 10 pm pst. I went back and read your post. All I can say is Doh! I was way too primed to deal with detractors.

Anyway, have a wonderful one today.

76 posted on 06/29/2005 10:29:48 AM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: pollyannaish

No problem polly.


77 posted on 06/29/2005 10:34:29 AM PDT by Black Tooth
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To: hunter112

" I hope you're right, but at this point, I don't think the President or his closest military advisors have the guts to do the right thing by our troops in this regard. We're going to sacrifice American lives in order to protect a bunch of terrorist sympathizers."

I don't think it is a matter of lack of guts. We must remember General Mattis (commander of Marine ground forces in Iraq under 1MEF), wanted during that first Fallujah campaign back in April of 2003, to level the place if required. The IG and mayor/tribal leaders in Fallujah where hopping up and down that this would not be good, and give them time to find a political solution. So the Marines backed off, since at that point the IG (Bremmer's appointees) where supposedly allowed to call the shots.
If anything, it was a lack of guts on the IG's side not our side. Of course they finally came around and now see the wisdom in allowing us to go into Fallujah.

"The accomplishments of the Iraqi people for the next thousand years aren't worth the life of the least of the people we've lost over there."

How can one disagree with your sentiment on this. But let us remember Iraq is more then just freeing one country from tyranny. It is part of a strategy on fighting a global war on terrorism. We must be flexible in tour analysis. And make sure it includes all aspects of this conflict.


78 posted on 06/29/2005 10:48:23 AM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: devolve; potlatch; Smartass; PhilDragoo

Ping to links in Post 3.


79 posted on 06/29/2005 3:41:52 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: ntnychik
THANKS FOR     THE PING

 

80 posted on 06/29/2005 4:04:46 PM PDT by Smartass (Si vis pacem, para bellum - Por el dedo de Dios se escribió)
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