Symposium: KGB RESURRECTION (CIA Director Woolsey: FSB/Chekists Responisible for Apartment Bombings)

FrontPageMag ^ | April 30, 2004 | Jamie Glazov

[struwwelpeter]

Why would Russia let Kazakhstan go and fight to keep Chechnya

Is Kazakhstan really 'let go'? Russia, Belarus, and Kazakhstan are still going ahead with their currency union and trade, even though Ukraine decided to opt out.

If you read Russian, or are handy with bablefish, Noviy Vestnik in Karaganda carries news about everyday life in that part of the country. Some interesting insights there.

There have been a few arrests of Islamic looneys, but most have been pathetic Arab students who never got more organized than gluing xerox pages on lampposts.

I think Nasarbaev is not as worried about Islamists as he is about Soros and those pesky Orange/Rose/Poppy revolutions spreading through the CIS. I hear Kazakhstan's velvet revolution will be called 'Tulip', but I could be wrong.

[marron]

If you read Russian

Sadly I don't... I used to catch the Almaty Herald regularly, in fact I used to enjoy posting the occasional article from the Herald, but it seems to have vanished...

[familyop]

I corresponded with Jamie in the '90s--very personable fellow. He's from Russia, and his parents were dissidents there. He's a conservative who does not like communism or fascism at all.

[nw_arizona_granny]

Ping

http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=Russia%20signs%20agreements%20with%20Americas%20enemies

http://www.google.com/search?client=googlet&q=russian%20%20and%20china%20agreements

[thegreatbeast]

bttt

[Paul Ross]

And Condoleeza Rice, the supposed Soviet Expert, fell for this whole scam, hook, line and sinker, and steered GWB into the unwise Moscow Treaty, wherein we foolishly are dismantling a serious chunk of our deterrent. Meanwhile, the Russians are coyly hanging onto their SS-18 First Strike missiles....h'mmmm.

Earth to Condi. You've been had.

[maestro]

Chinese PAC?

[lentulusgracchus]

And I'll bump that with a "we all should have read and absorbed Paul R. Johnson's excellent account of how appeasement, lack of follow through on treaty enforcement, and lack of true closure to WW1 led directly to WW2 [see "Modern Times"]" bump ....

William Shirer made that point abundantly 30 years ago in Collapse of the Third Republic, in which he showed that the French showed no awareness that the sands were running on them, as Hitler remilitarized, or that they really needed to kill this snake before he grew real fangs. The best opportunity was the earliest: Hitler's reoccupation of the Rhineland was a hollow gesture (his troops weren't even issued ammunition, and were under orders to avoid a showdown with the French army). One French division commander with a pair on him could have stopped World War II right then. Hitler would have been humiliated and would have lost his hometown cred -- end of story, and the Third Republic gets another 50 years.

[lentulusgracchus]

Why would Russia let Kazakhstan go and fight to keep Chechnya?

You tell me, but weren't the Chechen leadership always Islamists, even from the first, and didn't they make it clear they were going to establish an anti-Russian Islamic Republic?

Islam is full of that "on-to-Constantinople" rhetoric. Maybe the Russians just took it seriously, that Chechnya was to be a stepping-stone in the Islamization and radicalization of the whole southern CIS.

[PGalt]

Interesting post and discussion. Thanks for the ping.

[BeHoldAPaleHorse]

"Actually, Golitsyn doesn't strike me as being all that reliable."

Golitsyn, in my opinion, was sent to activate and run a mole in the CIA...James Jesus Angleton, the head of counterintelligence.

First, some background on Angleton: one of his closest friends was Kim Philby. When a defector who could have ID'd Philby approached the CIA in Istanbul, Angleton "just happened" to let Philby know that a defector who could identify a mole in MI6 was coming in...and gave enough info to ID the defector.

Fast-forward to Golitsyn arriving. Golitsyn put out a cock-and-bull story that EVERY single defector after him would be a fraud. That discredited him with damn near everyone...except Angleton.

Golitsyn also said that there were moles in the CIA. He couldn't identify any specific operations that had been blown--he merely gave vague biographical bits about the supposed moles' background.

Angleton went into high dudgeon and started tearing the CIA apart hunting for the moles. He never found any. But his mole hunt did enormous damage within the CIA--both in terms of lost time and in lowering the level of trust between colleagues. The mole hunt probably did far more damage than any real moles themselves likely could have (Angleton's hunt was focused mostly on low-ranking analysts who'd said things that displeased Angleton).

Angleton's mole hunt was so far beyond reason and sanity that one has to wonder if it took place because Angleton was losing his marbles...or because he was doing it on Moscow's orders.

[GOP_1900AD]

Yep! Correct!