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You ain't seen nothing yet (America's Christian Right)
The Economist ^ | 23 june 2005 | The Economist

Posted on 06/28/2005 9:19:57 AM PDT by voletti

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To: AzaleaCity5691

You make a good point...and this is why I don't identify with any particular denomination or school of theology or "influence." Such things are the invention of man, the product of man's finite mind, and as such they divide the Body of Christ. God never intended us to divide ourselves into groups which put particular emphasis on one aspect of scripture over another.


81 posted on 06/28/2005 10:27:10 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: My2Cents
According to the movie, Shadowlands, C.S. Lewis also imbibed. Or am I wrong?
82 posted on 06/28/2005 10:27:17 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: don-o
Don't smoke, don't chew or go with girls that do.

Nor leave your dang cigarettes at the bar. :)

83 posted on 06/28/2005 10:28:52 AM PDT by IamConservative (The true character of a man is revealed in what he does when no one is looking.)
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To: CajunConservative
When I quit smoking it wasn't after some long and drawn out thunderous and condemning sermon. It was when I realized that what I was doing was not in obedience to God.

Perhaps health concerns had a teeny bit to do with quitting the cancer sticks.

84 posted on 06/28/2005 10:29:05 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: Free Baptist

I agree.


85 posted on 06/28/2005 10:30:17 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

You know, Evangelicals and Catholics are just two different things. Sure, the Vangies find the Mackeral-snappers offensive and magical thinking, but the Vangelists have their own mysticism with the snake-handling, and the speaking in tongues, and even the praying over people and name it and claim it and praying for health and making up prayers all the time, and multiple baptisms and all that garbage.

So that sinful business goes both ways. Either one of them can get a decent size crowd out in the street if they get their corporate knickers in a knot about one thing or another.


86 posted on 06/28/2005 10:30:36 AM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)
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To: AzaleaCity5691
Jesus drank wine

A Mormon once told me it was really grape juice.

87 posted on 06/28/2005 10:31:12 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

My apologies for misreading you.

I grew up in a Southern Baptist church thinking drinking and gambling were sins (I knew smoking was bad, especially for one's health, but never considered it a sin). Upon maturing a little I realized drinking wasn't a sin after all but could *become* sinful if taken past a certain point, i.e. past the point of remaining sober. I wouldn't say gambling is automatically a sin but is a temptation toward that tendency due to what may (often) be sinful motivations of greed and envy, not to mention the negative impact it has on other people. Though to sum up, neither drinking nor gambling can be used as determinants of salvation.

Not sure what you're referring to re. beads and moonpies. Mardi Gras? If so, I've never understood its purpose and consider it unworthy of being in any way related to biblical Christianity.


88 posted on 06/28/2005 10:33:52 AM PDT by k2blader (Was it wrong to kill Terri Shiavo? YES - 83.8%. FR Opinion Poll.)
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To: Cicero

What you say is so true. Episcopals are now nothing but apostates, and Baptists et.al, while sacramentally confused are spiritually correct on most of the important issues esp. regarding life and death.


89 posted on 06/28/2005 10:34:06 AM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)
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To: PJ-Comix
Please understand "sanctification" is a process and not an event. The Holy Spirit convicts people of their sin over time and as they are ready to become obedient. I remember in the first days thinking that "wow, I'm perfect now and will not have to deal with these evil things anymore. As I progress in my walk, it is amazing the things the Holy Spirit places on my heart that are offensive to God.

If you read an understand the book of Romans, you fill find the most incredible conviction and yet liberation in our human sinfulness. Why do I still do the things I don't want to do? Because I'm a sinner- worhtless to the bone in my opinion. For some reason God wants me to go to Heaven and for that I am thankful and will do my best to live according to His will and share this great news with others.
90 posted on 06/28/2005 10:34:22 AM PDT by newbeliever
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To: MamaB

Mother Angelica is very much alive. Better watch out with that EWTN watching... that's how they got their hooks in me!!!


91 posted on 06/28/2005 10:37:06 AM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)
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To: k2blader

I believe I am safe to say that independent Bible-believing Baptists firmly believe that President Bush should shut down the borders TODAY to ILLEGAL aliens, and we believe that it could be done. We believe that either liberal influences or one-world (globalist) influences on the President tie his hands.

We believe if the President's values were our values, he would have cried out that he has no respect for that porn star who sat at a Republican fundraiser.

Does the President drink alcoholic beverages? He's no good example in that regard to my children.

Did you read the text of Mrs. Bush's remarks at the recent event where she all but roasted and embarrassed him? Remarks about the desparate housewives, and so forth that revealed neither of them have Biblical convictions concerning home life.

Bush made the statement that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. Islam teaches that Allah has NO son. Christians believe Christ is the only begotten Son of God.

I recommend to you that you check the web site of the Constitution Party. www.constitutionparty.com


92 posted on 06/28/2005 10:37:06 AM PDT by Free Baptist
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To: k2blader

I would disagree with your position on gambling. Games of chance are referenced and rejected in scripture. Trust your first instincts.


93 posted on 06/28/2005 10:37:29 AM PDT by newbeliever
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To: PJ-Comix

I clarified that in a later post. It was wrong for me to smoke because I was working with kids and the health factors. I have never ever harped on others to quit smoking, well except for my dad but that was to keep him from blowing himself up with the oxygen. ;)


94 posted on 06/28/2005 10:38:38 AM PDT by CajunConservative
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To: AzaleaCity5691

You know the old joke: King James, if it was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for me. Mark my words, somone will show slavish devotion for the KJV and outright contempt for any other translation in answer to your question.


95 posted on 06/28/2005 10:40:03 AM PDT by Melas (Lives in state of disbelief)
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To: PaulaB

You don't want people to be looking at you and going "guess I'll never get to heaven if I can't be perfect like her".

"Sin boldy, repent more boldly still." Luther


96 posted on 06/28/2005 10:40:14 AM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)
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To: AzaleaCity5691

Yeah they're thinking about allowing the Queer'an as an object for muzzies to swear on even though it gives them explicit permission to lie to the infidels.


97 posted on 06/28/2005 10:41:08 AM PDT by johnb838 (Adios, liberal mofos!)
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To: newbeliever
Not sure if I understand correctly but I still don't see anything wrong with drinking and gambling. Of course, anything taken to excess can be bad. Hey, I once even ate too much shrimp at a buffett but it doesn't mean eating shrimp is bad. However, it took me almost a year before I could stomach eating a shrimp again.

Okay, even moderate smoking is wrong but from a health standpoint which is why I don't smoke.

98 posted on 06/28/2005 10:41:47 AM PDT by PJ-Comix (Join the DUmmie FUnnies PING List for the FUNNIEST Blog on the Web)
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To: PJ-Comix

That would mean all those casino boats in Mississippi will have to shut down for lack of patrons.

Are you seriously going to make the contention that the Mississippi Gulf Coast is a part of the Bible Belt. Especially when it actually voted for Kennedy in 1960 but didn't vote for Baptist Jimmy Carter in 1976

Almost all Mississippi casinos are in areas that are either heavily Catholic or heavily Black (the exception being the Choctaws in Neshoba County)

"The hardest drinking and biggest consumers of tobacco are in the Bible Belt"

Most of that is done in metropolitan areas which often have a diversity of religion. Not to mention, there are many Methodists in the South, and in general, Methodists usually don't have a problem with tobacco or alcohol.

And finally, regarding Mississippi, most of the patrons for the boats in Biloxi do not come from SBC Mississippi. They come from Jackson, Mobile, New Orleans and Pensacola, as well as other major Southern cities.




99 posted on 06/28/2005 10:42:11 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (The enemy lies in the heart of Gadsden)
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To: newbeliever
Also, remember Paul's comment (1 Cor. 6:12) that "All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable [or edify]. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything." It's clear from Paul's writings that he was accused of preaching a kind of "greasy grace," or cheap grace, but he always refuted this charged by saying, "May it never be!" Paul preached grace over legalism, he preached freedom under grace, but a freedom that was not unseemly, and one that did not turn into either license or bondage. A Christian friend of mine was keen on quoting the first part of 1 Cor. 6:12 about all things being lawful for him (as a way of excusing his annoying habits and troubling behavior), and I had to correct him by saying, "Yes, but in your freedom, you are not to fall into bondage to anything."

Freedom is one of the hardest things for Christians to get a grasp of; for fear of sinning, some Christians shy away from freedom and tend toward legalism. Other Christians, tired of the crushing burden of legalism, fully embrace freedom, but it takes on the likeness of license ("doing what I want to do"). It is the mature Christian who exercises freedom with responsibility, and under surrender to God.

100 posted on 06/28/2005 10:42:22 AM PDT by My2Cents ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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