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Russia will preserve its positions in Iran under any president
RIA Novosti - Russian News and Information Agency ^ | June 25, 2005 | Pyotr Goncharov

Posted on 06/25/2005 2:08:26 AM PDT by familyop

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To: GarySpFc

Fine. You carry on with describing yourself as an "expert" and saying that the Chechens put a 155 mm round in the Nord-Ost incident. BS.

If a 155 mm round was put there (instead of a 152 or other Soviet/post Soviet ordnance), it was put there by officials who had access to new stuff (or to transporting NATO stuff a long way).


41 posted on 06/27/2005 1:30:28 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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Firstly, I am/was a Special Forces demolitions expert, and I have presented more than sufficient evidence to constitute proof in my above post.

Secondly, I never presented myself as an artillery expert. The Russians, US, French and others produce 155mm rounds. The Russian round is limited fielding. They also produce and field a 152 mm, which is more widely available.

Finally, it was reported two 155 mm rounds were hung from the ceiling in the Nord-Ost Theatre. One of the two was above the balcony, and the second above the general sitting area. Both were set up with electronic detonators. I went with what was reported, and their detonation would have killed everyone in the theater. I went by the report given. Now, if the two rounds were 152 or 155 mm matters little, both would have had the same effect. Furthermore, I doubt if the military or police reporter was checking the rounds for the 3 mm difference.
42 posted on 06/27/2005 3:37:19 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: familyop
I should add that I would be considered an expert in unconventional warfare. Don't worry, I don't expect you to apologize...you're not man enough to do that.
43 posted on 06/27/2005 4:32:51 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc

I only see that training changed radically sometime during the '60s and again in the late 1980s. We were trained to avoid apologizing, to avoid acknowledging apologies and to avoid matters of self-pride (but only having pride in each completed task).

My brief experiment in answering flame bait here and there was only a demonstration for others. That's done.

We in the USA have a cultural problem that intensified in the '60s and needs to be fixed. Russia has a cultural problem from long before that needs to be fixed. I'll do what I can do for both until I stop breathing.

Civil affairs work needs funding as much as other tactical work needs it. Adequate funding only comes after the civilian populace sees enough truth. Cultural/political corrections only happen after informed feedback.

I'll disseminate information. Do what you want to do with it.

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44 posted on 06/27/2005 6:14:42 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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You lied about and insulted me. Now you rationalize not apologizing, and it shows your true character.
45 posted on 06/27/2005 6:45:50 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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To: GarySpFc

You erroneously and emotionally called me a "liar" weeks ago. I didn't care and don't care. Vanity is to be avoided. I try to avoid lying. I lie less today than I did yesterday. My goal is ideal, and my accomplishment is improvement. That is what defeats indulgence in epistomological relativism. That's what sets some of us apart from the rest. That is also what made many in our Greatest Generation greater than those who came after (including myself). We were indoctrinated, and some of that through intentional foreign, tactical influence.

I remember the spoiled rotten fear and rationalizations in our neighborhoods during the Viet Nam years. We're not going back there.

...so much emotion, hyperbole and pride since then. We needed cultural changes, and we're getting those.


46 posted on 06/27/2005 7:17:28 PM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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You erroneously and emotionally called me a "liar" weeks ago.

I did call you a liar recently, but there was nothing erroneous or emotional about it.

BTW, you misspelled epistemological, but then that's only slightly larger than a 3 mm error.
47 posted on 06/27/2005 7:42:17 PM PDT by GarySpFc (Sneakypete, De Oppresso Liber)
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