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IBM to hire 14,000 in India
Sify ^ | 24 June , 2005,

Posted on 06/24/2005 9:54:36 AM PDT by phoenix_004

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To: dljordan

You can always work at Wal Mart and live in a tent. Vote third party before it is to late.


41 posted on 06/24/2005 11:28:10 AM PDT by doc
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To: oceanview

Quote: total nonsense. this is not the fault of the US education system. that same education system created the engineers which developed the telecommunications and internet revolutions in the late 90s. what happened, everyone "got dumb" in the last 5 years?

this is corporate greed, pure and simple, and a political class that has been bought off to allow it under the banner of "free trade".



Right on Oceanview!! American workers are the most productive and innovative in the whole world...except at competing for 88 cent per hours jobs.


42 posted on 06/24/2005 11:30:44 AM PDT by superiorslots (Free Traitors are communist China's modern day "Useful Idiots")
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To: RobbyS
I wrote:
"...while finishing C++, Python, calculus and physics myself..."

Oops...er, doing more of--not "finishing."
43 posted on 06/24/2005 11:31:16 AM PDT by familyop ("Let us try" sounds better, don't you think? "Essayons" is so...Latin.)
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To: Truthsayer20
The free-market economy doesn't know "patriotism" or any other sentimentalism.

Agree with that point of view. Think of all those Japanese and German Car Company's setting up shop in the States hiring Americans, to satisfy the US demand, instead employing fellow country men in their respective countries.

44 posted on 06/24/2005 11:38:18 AM PDT by danmar ("No person is so grand or wise or perfect as to be the master of another person." Karl Hess)
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To: ColoCdn
My first share of IBM stock was purchased in 1947 ... I have watched said firm onward ...
45 posted on 06/24/2005 11:42:03 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: RobbyS

Wrong answer.


46 posted on 06/24/2005 11:43:05 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs
When I went to engineering school, over half the class was foreigners.

Unless you are willing to go for the Phd, an engineering degree is not a good idea for many people. How many lawyers or teachers spend months out of work?

As it is, there are far too many engineers, especially considering the number we import. Engineers have become nearly worthless to large companies, they can hire and fire at will.

The reason why there are no engineering students is because it is one of the dumber career moves you can make.

47 posted on 06/24/2005 11:43:15 AM PDT by hopespringseternal (</i>)
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To: doc

"Vote third party before it is to late."

Constitution/libertarian last time


48 posted on 06/24/2005 11:43:49 AM PDT by dljordan
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To: oceanview
Wrong answer!

Pointer - What did PM Blair say yesterday ... something about an Indian and Chinese threat from where .... ?

Welcome to Globalization ... !!!

49 posted on 06/24/2005 11:46:08 AM PDT by jamaksin
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To: danmar
Agree with that point of view. Think of all those Japanese and German Car Company's setting up shop in the States hiring Americans, to satisfy the US demand, instead employing fellow country men in their respective countries. The big difference is that the German/Jap companies set up shop here in the US to sell what is produced in the US.

The outsourcing to India and the turd world is an end run around the pain in the a$$ American worker who expects to be paid decent wages.

50 posted on 06/24/2005 11:47:16 AM PDT by austinite
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To: oceanview
this is not the fault of the US education system. that same education system created the engineers which developed the telecommunications and internet revolutions in the late 90s. what happened, everyone "got dumb" in the last 5 years?

The chief engineers, inventors, scientists and entrepreneurs that created Americas greatness come from the top 5% of the population

The educational system is no longer interested in educating the top 5% to their full potential. They only care about making their quotas on "No Child Left Behind". They get hit if the bottom students do not make minimum standards. they get no extra goodies if the top 5% are educated beyond the average

It's the main reason I homeschool

51 posted on 06/24/2005 11:58:15 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (When peace stands for surrender, fear, loss of dignity and freedom, it is no longer peace.)
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

You don't really believe that there's that much of a difference in price between the different products after corporate markups?I would rather pay a few dollars more for something if it meant it was produced in America.What good are cheap goods if it's all we can afford because we lost all our high paying jobs?A strong country is one that produces tangible goods which produce real wealth but America is doing less and less of that.Instead we are providing more and more services whose labor produces nothing that stores value such as countries who rely on tourism.If we keep trying to drive prices down we will end up pricing ourselves out of the market which is already happening.


52 posted on 06/24/2005 12:10:11 PM PDT by rdcorso (To Fight And Win The War On Terror We Must Secure Our Borders Now.)
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To: rdcorso
I would rather pay a few dollars more for something if it meant it was produced in America

You might, but a significant percentage of Americans would rather shop at Wal-mart.

53 posted on 06/24/2005 12:22:22 PM PDT by A Ruckus of Dogs
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To: hopespringseternal

In another life we tried it with some PhD's in Eastern Europe. They blew deadlines by quarters, and then what was delivered was unusable. We threw managers at it, sending some of our best to live there for a while.

The ones we sent eventually quit. One went to a competitor, who then proceeded to kill off one of our product lines completely.

The ones in the states were lashed to bad product, language barriers, and the cherry on top - time zones - not to mention haranguing by management above them.

They bailed too.

In the end we spent more money producing a product the entire industry knew was coming almost 18 months ahead of time. They knew the weaknesses, price, capabilities, etc.

It lead to the company being sold before it blew apart.


54 posted on 06/24/2005 12:29:20 PM PDT by RinaseaofDs (The problem with socialism is that eventually you run out of other people's money.)
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To: SauronOfMordor

the specific problem for engineering - is that market pay and job opportunities are not drawing these top candidates into the field. they will go for law, finance, & business instead.


55 posted on 06/24/2005 12:49:51 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: phoenix_004; Genghis Khan

Darned unFRiendly Americans buggaring up the lives of more Indians.

Shame on them!

/sarcasm


56 posted on 06/24/2005 1:06:57 PM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is required to ensure the triumph [of evil] is that Good Men do nothing -- Edmund Burke)
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To: jamaksin

I wish I could say I am impressed, but for over two decades I was part of a startup company that specialized in a product that Big Blue said was obsolete, never to be used in the near or distant future.

They were wrong then, and when they tried to get back in to the market we kicked their butts every which way imaginable.

So, IBM has made it's fair share of BIG blunders, most of them coming when they no longer had monopoly power or status in the industry.

The name remains, but the 1947 monolith is frayed.


57 posted on 06/24/2005 1:34:32 PM PDT by ColoCdn (Neco eos omnes, Deus suos agnoset)
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To: ColoCdn
Um ...

And the "BUNCH" is way today ...?

To help you ... "B" is Burroughs as in B5000/B5500/B6500/... those "stack architecture" machines ...

And, I still get those dividend checks ... going on for decades now.

Pity ... seems you "bet" on the wrong horse.

58 posted on 06/24/2005 2:55:57 PM PDT by jamaksin
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To: A Ruckus of Dogs

"Is it going up? "

Is the sky blue?


59 posted on 06/24/2005 3:06:32 PM PDT by G32
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To: CarrotAndStick; Gengis Khan; Srirangan; sukhoi-30mki

ping


60 posted on 06/24/2005 3:24:11 PM PDT by Wiz
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