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Pro and Con: Can a divided Party stand?
N/A | 6/21/2005 | Self

Posted on 06/21/2005 4:56:33 AM PDT by Badray

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1 posted on 06/21/2005 4:56:33 AM PDT by Badray
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Abortion. Globalism. Animal rights. Homosexual rights. Women’s rights. Union rights. Freedom from religion. Government schools. Welfare rights. Gun control.

Not to be a Durbin but these are nearly the same exact policies of the Nazis - just throw in class warfare...

2 posted on 06/21/2005 5:00:12 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - They want to die for Islam, and we want to kill them.)
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To: Badray

Just the nature of things - liberals always have stayed in goosestep with each other very well while, as someone once said, trying to get conservatives to agree on anything is like trying to herd wildcats.


3 posted on 06/21/2005 5:00:20 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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Their biggest constituencies are people who think they are Victims (except crime victims) and people who hate Republicans.

Actually it's a pretty huge tent.


4 posted on 06/21/2005 5:03:19 AM PDT by Question Liberal Authority (It's the Anti-Americanism, Stupid!)
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To: Conservative Goddess; Jeff Head; Libertina; Bob J; diotima; kristinn; tgslTakoma; SamInTheBurgh; ...

Ping!


5 posted on 06/21/2005 5:04:43 AM PDT by Badray
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To: 2banana

The libs come down, almost universally, on the side of all these items.

The GOP tries to take both sides. It's lunacy.


6 posted on 06/21/2005 5:06:10 AM PDT by Badray
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To: Chi-townChief

But why to we take both sides?

Aren't there enough of us opposed to these things to have a Party that isn't schizophrenic?


7 posted on 06/21/2005 5:07:14 AM PDT by Badray
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What all of these "rights" have in common is that they are not rights listed in the U. S. Constitution.

There are many Democrats who are not Demosocialists and the party is indeed splitting between the leadership and the rank and file membership -- those that are left.

The Democrat party has become the mirror-image of the British Labor Party. Everything the Democrat party stands for is taken directly from the Communist Manifesto.

Democrats, led by Dr. Dememto Dean must be strident because he cannot sell the socialist agenda up front. He must set the agenda on character assassination and on phony "issues."

How many Americans really belive that abortion is right? How many believe cockroaches have rights? How many believe America should join totalitarian countreis and disarm the population? How many believe that only government has wisdom? or that the U. S. Constitution is not longer valid?

Not many I believe. The Democrat party as our grandfathers knew it is gone. In its place is a pale immitation of the party that used to be.


8 posted on 06/21/2005 5:07:21 AM PDT by R.W.Ratikal
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But we willingly take in those who support the same things. WHY?

I say we need to cleanse the ranks.


9 posted on 06/21/2005 5:08:13 AM PDT by Badray
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To: R.W.Ratikal

I agree.

But why to we allow those who believe in that crap to infiltrate and dilute our (GOP) Party?

They are imploding. My point is that if we offer a clear and distinct choice, that the Dems will fade into history. If we don't, we will be the ones without a future and our values will be lost as well.


10 posted on 06/21/2005 5:11:15 AM PDT by Badray
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It seems to me that to be a Dem/Lib you have to "be" something - union member, femenist, gay, minority, etc.

To be a Conservative you have to "believe" some things - patriotism, faith, personal liberty limiting government, free enterprise, etc.

Even the "be's" in the Dem/Lib camp can ultimately adopt Conservative "beliefs".

I wouldn't worry too much about the Republican's inept attempts at the "big tent." That is the MSM trying to dilute the Conservative message, just as the MSM is trumpeting McCain to try to pre-empt true Conservative candidates for '08. The truth - as Rush and Laura Ingraham and others have stated - is that Republicans will win elections when they run unabashedly Conservative campaigns without worrying about the "middle ground."


11 posted on 06/21/2005 5:13:22 AM PDT by happyathome
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I've been up all night working and need to get some sleep. I'll be back later.

I'm hoping for comments on the GOP, moreso than the Democrat Party. Why do we need to support candidates that support the philosophy that will destroy our country?

Are we brave enough to take a stand and take our party back from the liberals?


12 posted on 06/21/2005 5:15:05 AM PDT by Badray
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To: happyathome

You are right. As is Rush and Laura,

BUT

The party clings to the liberal candidates -- like McCain and Rudy, and Specter, et al.

I believe that it is time to stake out our ground and tell those who don't accept our core tenets to either come on board or go away. We can't take both sides of these issues as we have been doing.

Our values and ideas are definitely the best. We just need to run on them, not away from them.


13 posted on 06/21/2005 5:18:29 AM PDT by Badray
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To: Badray

This looks interesting. i will bookmark to read later.


14 posted on 06/21/2005 5:23:54 AM PDT by cvq3842
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To: 2banana
Abortion. Globalism. Animal rights. Homosexual rights. Women’s rights. Union rights. Freedom from religion. Government schools. Welfare rights. Gun control.

Not to be a Durbin but these are nearly the same exact policies of the Nazis - just throw in class warfare...

What do you think affirmative action is? And the Social Security issue? And multiculturalism/diversity? The entire concept of the DemocRATic Party is built around class warfare. Old/young, black/white, rich/poor, union/nonunion, gun owner/gun hater, straight/homosexual, urban/rural, abortionists/pro-lifers, etc, etc, etc. Show me a DemocRATic issue and I'll show you an issue meant to divide two groups.

15 posted on 06/21/2005 5:26:18 AM PDT by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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Republican liberals are at least as damaging to the Republic as Democrat ones, and the case can be made that they are worse.

All I can say is that we just have to keep on fighting on every front. We have the resources to do so, if conservatives will just realize it. The conservative coalition is vast and is everywhere, even in the deepest, darkest pockets of the liberal wastelands.


16 posted on 06/21/2005 5:33:54 AM PDT by EternalVigilance ('Quality of Life': another name for the slippery slope into barbarism...)
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To: Chi-townChief
Just the nature of things - liberals always have stayed in goosestep with each other very well while, as someone once said, trying to get conservatives to agree on anything is like trying to herd wildcats.

I think that's because, contrary to popular belief, modern conservatives tend to be more independent-minded than modern liberals.

17 posted on 06/21/2005 5:35:03 AM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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How many Americans really belive that abortion is right? How many believe cockroaches have rights? How many believe America should join totalitarian countreis and disarm the population? How many believe that only government has wisdom? or that the U. S. Constitution is not longer valid?

Not many I believe.

More than you think, I'm afraid.

18 posted on 06/21/2005 5:36:19 AM PDT by Zero Sum (Marxism is the opiate of the masses.)
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To: AlaskaErik

Good analysis.


19 posted on 06/21/2005 5:51:00 AM PDT by doberville (Angels can fly when they take themselves lightly)
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To: AlaskaErik

****Abortion. Globalism. Animal rights. Homosexual rights. Women’s rights. Union rights. Freedom from religion. Government schools. Welfare rights. Gun control.****

I've come to realize that the Democratic Party is no more than a bunch of minority opinions glued together.

How many people support abortion? Not the majority.
How many people support PETA? Haha, do I even need to answer that one?
Gay marriage? That one's in the minority.
The feminist movement? Practically irrelevant nowdays.
Unions? I used to be in a union (summer job). Not cool.
Religious freedom? Last time I checked, most people have a religion (to varying degrees) and would prefer to keep it that way, and not allow a very small % to tell them what they can and can't do/say in public.

The list goes on. But as you see, all of these categories (as far as I know) are in the minority. Ask a union worker if he feels for the poor starving cats, and he'll probably tell you he could care less. Ask an atheist how they feel about guns, and it probably wouldnt have anything to do with their religious choices.

Conservative issues, on the other hand, are intertwined much nicer than our counterparts', and that's the very reason we have potential to stand much stronger than the Democrats, or than the current Republican Party. I agree with the author that we need to run the party through a conservative sieve.


20 posted on 06/21/2005 6:00:49 AM PDT by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on.....)
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