Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee
Caused, as in neglect by the Hospice nurses. That is what you are indicating if the bedsores occurred between 12/03 and 3/05.
Goes without saying.
Are you a nurse? Not all bedsores are caused by neglect. Sometimes stuff just happens, despite good care.
Oh, and it's not IF the bedsores occurred post 12/03.
Unless you believe that doctors, nurses and guardian ad litems are all lying. Do you?
Isn't there always?
I am sure you are going to provide the records and references to prove your theoretical assertion. Meanwhile, your insinuation that you know more about patient care ("Not all bedsores are caused by neglect. Sometimes stuff just happens") is the only laughable portion of your argument. Your attempt to insult me by questioning whether I am a nurse is lame too.
Nice dodge and still not answering the question.
It's hardly theoretical when all the people who said she never had a bedsore pre 12/03 testified under oath.
So, do you think all those doctors and nurses are lying?
As I stated before, I am not aware of any physicians or nurses testifying that there were never bedsores prior to 12/2003. You haven't provided references.
When was Mrs. Schiavo's toe amputated--and why?
Yet another dodge and subject change. Toodles.
You really aren't being honest here. You need to find someone else who is more gullible for your games. You refuse to back up your assertions, and default to cheap insults. Better luck next time, Peach.
LOL.
Still dodging and weaving, aren't you? Amazing the conspiracy theories that a nurse would buy into.
Proceedings concluded that there was no basis for the removal of Michael as Guardian Further, it was determined that he had been very aggressive and attentive in his care of Theresa. His demanding concern for her well being and meticulous care by the nursing home earned him the characterization by the administrator as "a nursing home administrator's nightmare". It is notable that through more than thirteen years after Theresa's collapse, she has never had a bedsore.
http://home.comcast.net/~trinity_tx/wolfson.htm
Since you are so intimately familiar with Mrs. Schiavo's case, find out when her toe was amputated. The odds are most probable it was amputated due to a bedsore. Now, that was hardly changing the subject. I just needed to spell it out for you a bit more.
Your attempt to label me as a conspiracy theorist, dodging, and weaving is simply more evidence of your lame argument again. You can do better than sinking to name calling--can't you?
I can't give you the date her left little toe was amputated, but an article in the Miami Herald said that it was due to the fact she had drop foot. The foot twisted and turned downward and the pressure that resulted required that the toe be amputated. Now if you want to subscribe to the paper to read the articles in the archives, feel free to do so. I frankly am not going to bother to spend the money. Have a good night. Oh, and don't bother to reply. I didn't make any typos.
I'm just guessing here, so feel free to disagree with me. Foot drop is treatable with cushioned boots, which are worn to prevent the twisting and turning you describe. Those boots also prevent the pressure you describe that result in pressure ulcers (another name for bedsores) that caused the amputation.
Again I'm just guessing, so if I'm wrong, no problem. If someone is in hospice, where Terri was for a good long while, the priorities aren't going to include maintaining circulation in the extremities (hands and feet). Pressure ulcers resulting in amputation can occur from pressure as light as a sheet on a foot; sometimes "tents" are used over the feet, with sheets and blankets pulled over them, to prevent that pressure.
Good nursing care for any patient, including a hospice patient in my opinion (unless you want to just write them off and give them no care), involves the prevention of pressure ulcers through the use of cushioned boots, frequent position changes, keeping the peri area clean and dry, use of moisture barrier lotions and massage to keep circulation intact (and thus prevent bedsores).
Pressure ulcers are painful, according to conscious patients I've talked to who have them. In addition, they smell horrible and can be a serious source of systemic infection.
The existence of any pressure ulcers--or bedsores, or whatever we call them--is evidence of poor care. Nursing assessment of any patient who is immobilized for whatever reason involves q shift inspection of feet (including the heels), sacrum, shoulders, hips, knees--any potential pressure points, q two hours turning and repositioning of patient to allow blood to circulate to pressure areas, relief of pressure by whatever means (tents, air mattresses, water mattresses, pillows, whatever) q two hour checks of peri area for cleaning of incontinent patients and any soiled sheets, blankets, pads, clothing, passive motion exercises to prevent atrophy of muscles and further compromising of circulation.
I've done all this. Any nurse has. You do it because it is a hallmark of a professional nurse to prevent pressure ulcers in any patient in your care. The practice of allowing patients to wallow uncleaned and unturned leads to rapid development of serious pressure ulcers that can be life-threatening in an immobilized patient (including patients in traction, hip casts, etc.). Such poor practice is a hallmark of poor patient care.
Healing of pressure ulcers involves vigorous and meticulous attention to cleanliness and positioning, use of Duoderm or comparable patches, and whatever other measures are advised, including surgical debridement of dead tissue, passive motion exercises, etc.
I HATE bedsores--they are the enemy of a good nurse, a stain on her practice, and a clear indication of less than optimal care. In bedridden patients cared for at home by family and part-time help, they are almost inevitable. In a modern nursing home or good hospice, they should not ever occur.
ALL: T'wit is now officially on vacation and outta here for a while. Behave yourselves while I'm gone.
No, that's asking too much. Have fun. Have too much fun! And remember, before you go to sleep each night, kiss and make up :-)
Still dodging and weaving. It must be good exercise.
You just keep throwing up more questions but can't answer one yourself. How does that work out for you?
Only you would know the answer, because you wrote the book on that circular dance. Have a good day. :-D
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