Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee
Um, you seem to be missing something. The court record is filled with testimony from doctors and nurses. But maybe they were all in on the conspiracy too. Sheesh.
And for lots and lots of money too, I'll bet!
Would you get a cut for a referral??
"Was he lying when he retracted that vow and claimed that Terri wanted to be tortured to death?"
That's new. Where / when did he say that?
"federal subpoena asking only for a de-novo review"
This is confusing. What on earth are you talking about?
They said it was not until later that they saw the bone scan - when it came up in court. They said they did not see it when it was taken and did not learn about it till it was discovered in court.
They have said repeatedly on television that they don't know why MS lies and said the doctors told him that Terri had a heart attack. They had to admit under oath they knew the doctors had said she'd had cardiac arrest, an entirely different thing.
Really searching the bottom of the barrel aren't we? Many people that are not doctors confuse the two. I myself did not know that cardiac arrest is not a type of heart attack.
Again it was a sham - the doctors were picked by Michael and Greer (pro euthanasia) and the Shindlers (pro Terri) - all had a pre conceived notion of what they were planning to find and say in the court room. No conspiracy - not even close, only people with agendas.
"I'm not understanding. You responded to a post about Dr Nelson."
Actually both doctors. You mentioned that Nelson indicated "In other words, you need a live brain for diagnosis, not a dead one."***
I asked if you pointed that out to Hammesfahr who is offering up his opinion here based on the autopsy and not on examination of a live person...a rhetorical question.
In sum, it's inconsistent to accept Nelson's premise that one needs a live person to render a PVS opinion, yet we have Hammesfahr rendering such an opinion based on the results of people who observed a deceased person.
(I'm not necessarily saying you are, just that there is inconsistencies in reasoning inherit in the thread about Hammesfahr.) ;-)
"It's another for some people on this thread, not you, to be absolutely uninformed and spreading what have become urban myths."
Nicely put. Seems that too often the efforts to seek an understanding of facts and the processes (legal) that took place become confused with peoples' "opinions/emotions" on life and death. When opinions become offered up as fact the discussion breaks down quickly.
This is not to say that there shouldn't be a discussion about the law and the right to life. There should be. If the law is poor, wrong, or bad it only makes sense to have a discussion about it... a reasonable discussion that doesn't give rise to name calling and inflammatory words like Hitler, murderer, death culture blah blah blah.
Just my HO. :-)
Wrong. But you don't want to hear the truth.
No. They had to admit in court they'd previously seen the bone scan. Even after saying on television they hadn't seen it. But don't let the facts get in the way of your agenda.
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but it sounds suspiciously like you've made a faulty conclusion (as I was saying) about where I stood on Terri Schiavo.
Everyone thinks they know the "facts" in this case - only problem is that there is ONLY ONE person who really knows the facts and that is Michael Schiavo.
BS. I am referring to documented records and testimony being rejected in favor of lurid gossip and hints of murder most foul.
ONLY ONE person who really knows the facts and that is Michael Schiavo...So when it comes down to the end it all is based on what you think of Michael Schiavo and if you believe him.
I present Exhibit A.
Speaking of ghouls...
I think Dr Nelson stated it factually so I didn't need anyone elses opinion. Thogmartin and Nelson seemed to try to make it clear that they couldn't confirm PVS or minimally concious despite what the press is saying.
Btw, cute post at 673. LOL!!
"The rejection of documented fact in favor of malicious gossip is another unfortunate path that has been chosen by far too many here."
Nice observation Cync. I would only add the false assumptions and "jumping to conclusions" that seem to be pervasive.
Simply pointing out that Greer ruled corrctly on a point of law, for example, seems to automatically puts one in the "people who support the murderer Michael" or "people who wanted Terri dead" mythical group...in the minds of some anyway.
"It really does not take a lot of conspirators to end up with the same results."
A family in economic need, a family wishing to extract vengence on another family member who has fallen out of favor, quack doctors seeing a forum to promote their snake oil, political/religious groups seeing a forum to be heard and increase their members-raise money, a chance for politicians to grandstand and get camera face time,
Doesn't take much depends on one's objectivity too.
I pray that you and the other posters here will be able to see that we are merely fighting for the status quo - the America we always have had.
For the zillionth time and as if the "other posters" disagree with that very premise or do not recognize the sanctity of life.
Good grief, the condescension and superiority complex is shining through...big time.
For one thing, Clancy wants to do away with living wills, which are the status quo. I don't think her claim is true at all, starting with her outrageous "There are no lies".
There are a couple of posters here to don't like living wills and don't care what they say. So much for self determination.
Their agenda is showing, big time, and it's turning people away from both the pro life movement and conservatives in droves.
"She was perfect."
Yet married that no good murdering son of bi** #$^)* Michael. Go figure.
Good point.
And, most people don't know this, but the jury awarded MS and Terri millions of dollars in the lawsuit against the doctors who hadn't diagnosed her low potassium levels and then they reduced the $$ because of Terri's responsibility in causing her cardiac arrest.
Can you provide a link to that court document.
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