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Doctor: Schiavo Autopsy Conclusions Flawed
NewsMax ^ | 6/19/05 | Carl Limbacher

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:04:50 PM PDT by wagglebee

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To: TAdams8591
Not even those who agreed with you.

I'm not certain what that statement was supposed to mean. But the neurologist and the ME who examined the brain found so much destruction of the occipital lobes that they could diagnose cortical blindness. That means that the eyes themselves are normal, but the brain does not process the information. That is why the doctors who examined her did not realize she was blind.

461 posted on 06/20/2005 3:34:19 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair ("Suppose you're an idiot. Suppose you're a congressman. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain)
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To: .38sw

I saw that thread. It's even got a bash Bush troll on it.


462 posted on 06/20/2005 3:36:18 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair ("Suppose you're an idiot. Suppose you're a congressman. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain)
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To: unbalanced but fair
Terri was buried in Florida and her parents have been notified of where.

Yep. That's all that was required for MS
to do per the court order.

But that's a bad thing according to some.

Yep, again.

463 posted on 06/20/2005 3:49:18 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: spectre

If the parents had been
notified of the internment,
to be sure..MSM cameras would
have been everywhere, again,
making Terri a spectacle.


464 posted on 06/20/2005 3:51:34 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: joesbucks
Actually Greer's pastor later recanted after further discernment and welcomed Greet to return to the church to further fellowship and worship.

Good to hear. When I came across what Ann Coulter said and passed it on, it has gotten a few chuckles. Unfortunately, with Greer's blindness, he has had misfortune in his life. And I feel he made a very bad decision with what he did to Terri Schiavo, her parents and her brother and sister.

465 posted on 06/20/2005 3:56:34 PM PDT by topher (One Nation under God -- God bless and protect our troops)
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To: Peach; MACVSOG68
>> The doctor could back up one single claim he'd made about patients he had helped. Not one.

There is a link in post #144 concerning the doctor's misadventures with a dissatisfied patient named M.T. This went to court. You say that, per Greer's court, "not one" was helped. That was decidedly not the case in this other court's findings.

In the linked case, the administrative law judge found, "There is evidence that in over 200 patients seen by Hammesfahr that a large percentage improved after being treated by Hammesfahr." (Items 56 and 57, which give the details of the testing by a Dr. Gimon.)

Items 58 and 59 report the details of another impressive finding: "Diane Hartley tested two groups of Hammesfahr's patients who were treated at his clinic... Of the 242 patients tested by Ms. Hartley, 221 patients demonstrated improvement in one or more of the areas tested and 21 showed no improvement."

#60 states: "The evidence establishes that Hammesfahr informed his patients by the use of videos, orientation sessions, literature and a web site on the Internet of the nature of the therapy and did not guarantee that the patients would improve as a result of the treatment. Patients were able to make an informed decision on whether to try the treatment."

The judge found against Dr. Hammesfahr on some point of the Florida statutes that I do not understand, but I think it had to do with advertising rather than medicine. But the same document credits Dr. Hammesfahr with something like a 90% treatment success rate.

466 posted on 06/20/2005 3:57:40 PM PDT by T'wit (T'wit's Fourth Law: Liberals are always wrong, even when they come down on both sides of the issue.)
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To: the Deejay

I wonder how many of the Terri "supporters" will be scouring the cemetary trying to find her grave site.


467 posted on 06/20/2005 3:58:19 PM PDT by unbalanced but fair ("Suppose you're an idiot. Suppose you're a congressman. But I repeat myself." Mark Twain)
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To: T'wit

Um, those patients did not have PVS. I mis-stated when I said he never successfully treated anyone and corrected myself in a later post.

Dr. H claimed he could help patients who were PVS. But when asked in court to provide documentations, names, etc., redacted of course to protect confidentiality, he could not do so.


468 posted on 06/20/2005 3:59:56 PM PDT by Peach
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To: cyncooper
>> You are pretty selective when it comes to piping about about potential libel.

Yes, I am. I only mention ones that might be libel.

469 posted on 06/20/2005 4:00:47 PM PDT by T'wit (T'wit's Fourth Law: Liberals are always wrong, even when they come down on both sides of the issue.)
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To: unbalanced but fair
LOL!!

They will only have to see the crowd in the cemetery
& follow them!

470 posted on 06/20/2005 4:00:53 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: topher

I wonder how Greer (who is legally blind) felt after hearing that Terri was also blind. Kindred souls. Ha! The media used the blindness as just another reason to bump her off. I wonder how Greer felt about Terri's blindness.


471 posted on 06/20/2005 4:05:25 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (I miss Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: unbalanced but fair; Peach
You know, MS did not have toe notify the parents
when & where the internment would take place.....only required
to notify them of where the ashes are buried.

MS has fulfilled
that court order.

472 posted on 06/20/2005 4:05:44 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: the Deejay

I'm glad Michael Schiavo didn't dump her in Pennsylvania. Wonder why he changed his mind? (Duh.)


473 posted on 06/20/2005 4:06:35 PM PDT by Saundra Duffy (I miss Terri - IMPEACH JUDGE GREER!!!)
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To: the Deejay

So kind of the man. A real gent.


474 posted on 06/20/2005 4:07:25 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Saundra Duffy
He was going to bury her body in PA......NOT her ashes!
475 posted on 06/20/2005 4:08:14 PM PDT by the Deejay (THE LADY DEEJAY)
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To: Smartaleck
The dispute between Michael Schiavo and his in-laws began when Bob and Mary Schindler said he owed them money, court records show."

If you read the court documents you will find that this is Michaels version of what transpired. The Schindlers version is completely different. They say the "fight" started because they asked Michael when he was going to start using the settlement money on Terri's rehabilitation.

476 posted on 06/20/2005 4:08:15 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: Saundra Duffy

Micheal's trophy. For victory over the Schlinders and that anchor-weight of a daughter he was handcuffed to.


477 posted on 06/20/2005 4:09:20 PM PDT by bvw
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To: T'wit
I only mention ones that might be libel.

You're fooling yourself.

478 posted on 06/20/2005 4:09:45 PM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Dave S
>> So if he has never treated them with his magic cure he certainly didnt cure them with it.

I am glad to find an area of agreement with you, Dave. Nope, he can't cure one single person he doesn't treat.

Pity he wasn't given a chance to go 0-for-1 or 1-for-1 with Terri. Nobody can say it wouldn't have worked.

479 posted on 06/20/2005 4:09:57 PM PDT by T'wit (T'wit's Fourth Law: Liberals are always wrong, even when they come down on both sides of the issue.)
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To: Smartaleck
Have you or anyone for that matter seen an accounting of all the funds that poured in to save her life?

More importantly what happened to the $700,000 that was supposed to go to treat her?

480 posted on 06/20/2005 4:10:19 PM PDT by blueriver
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