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Did Lucy Ramirez Find The Downing Street Memos?(Fake, but accurate memos??)
captainsquartersblog.com ^ | 6/19/05 | Captains Quarters

Posted on 06/19/2005 6:53:54 AM PDT by mabelkitty

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To: cyncooper

"You attach far too much significance to this nothing memo if you think Blair would have obsessively ordered a search into its authenticity"

Obsessively ordered a search? It has the name of the person who sent it and who they sent it to on it! It would hardly take that much checking.


201 posted on 06/19/2005 10:15:54 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Canard

No. It's called the 5th Amendment.

You weren't here, but everyone wanted Kerry to prove his service. We're weird that way. That's what it means when we demanded he sign his 180.

It was proof as stored in American archives.


202 posted on 06/19/2005 10:16:10 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: Canard

I have an 'offical' stack of post-it memo paper that I use to stick all over the place around my desk here.

Is there any way you can tell me if one of them isn't "official"?

Again, what does an official memo look like? I want to take down any that may be "unofficial" around here.

What do your official memos look like cyncooper?


203 posted on 06/19/2005 10:16:11 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: SALChamps03

No flames from me. It makes me crazy.
What about "past history"? That sends me over the edge.


204 posted on 06/19/2005 10:17:49 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: cyncooper

My answer is that, if there was any doubt as to the existence of the memo as reported, that would have been the first focus of the internal investigation that undoubtedly took place in Downing Street after the story was printed.

I suggest you have a look into the David Kelly/BBC affair to see how Downing Street reacts when journalists make allegations against them using dubious evidence and compare to the reaction in this case.


205 posted on 06/19/2005 10:19:15 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Canard

This memo was sent? I was under the impression these were personal "memo's this annonymous person kept for HIMSELF, who then later gave them to this 'reporter, who then retyped them and burned the origionals. So, Tony blair has never seen the origional "note to self" memos.


206 posted on 06/19/2005 10:20:24 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Canard
It has the name of the person who sent it and who they sent it to on it! It would hardly take that much checking.

Of course it does. Are you under yet another in your long list of false assumptions that I didn't know that?

That's why it would strike me as obsessive of Blair if he sought out the (purported) author.

I guess you missed (or are deliberately ignoring) my comment that I have not concluded the memo is fake. I'll continue to assume it's real but I do find the reporter's "I destroyed the original" fascinating.

207 posted on 06/19/2005 10:20:48 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Nathan Zachary

It really is no big deal if even Ellis Henican thinks it isn't a smoking gun.

http://www.newsday.com/news/columnists/nyc-hen0619,0,295479.column?coll=ny-news-columnists

Don't get too excited over Downing Street memos


208 posted on 06/19/2005 10:20:51 AM PDT by MEG33 (GOD BLESS OUR ARMED FORCES)
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To: Nathan Zachary

I think thqt if you had an official British Government memo on your desk, you'd realise. Especially a secret 'eyes only' one.


209 posted on 06/19/2005 10:21:00 AM PDT by Canard
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To: mabelkitty

210 posted on 06/19/2005 10:23:22 AM PDT by LayoutGuru2 (Know the difference between honoring diversity and honoring perversity? No? You must be a liberal!)
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To: Canard
I suggest you have a look into the David Kelly/BBC affair to see how Downing Street reacts when journalists make allegations against them using dubious evidence and compare to the reaction in this case.

I suggest you quit making your outlandish and insane presumptions.

I am most thoroughly versed in the David Kelly story and how he betrayed his country (and subsequently was overwhelmed with guilt, hence his suicide).

I am guessing there might have been some looking into the memo, too, because this reporter felt enough pressure to admit he "destroyed the originals".

211 posted on 06/19/2005 10:24:46 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: Canard

So again, what does an official memo look like?

Why would this reporter burn them? (unless they never existed in the first place, which we can now say didn't, because he burnt them! so he says)

If The brits were too stupid to realize that these memo's were fake, and had a big investigation over them, then all I have to say is
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! no wonder the Uk is so screwed up!
Soon it will be Muhammad land anyways. Good Job mate! Not only did you colonialists travel around the world and screw up every colony you founded ( because they never thought far enough a head) you've finaly screwed up your own too!


212 posted on 06/19/2005 10:26:47 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: cyncooper

"I guess you missed (or are deliberately ignoring) my comment that I have not concluded the memo is fake"

Yes I did miss that, am having trouble keeping up with who is saying what to be honest! I'd just re-iterate to you that my only point in this thread was that the original memo leaked before the election was definately authentic and these very likely are too. In terms of implications, I continue to think that there are some for the Blair Government that they will shrug off fairly easily, not so many that implicate Bush.

"I'll continue to assume it's real but I do find the reporter's "I destroyed the original" fascinating."

I agree. Strange that he would do that rather than just hide them someplace. My assumption is that there would be more than one copy however (I don't know this for a fact) so I doubt it was the only copy that ever existed.


213 posted on 06/19/2005 10:26:51 AM PDT by Canard
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To: Canard
" think thqt if you had an official British Government memo on your desk, you'd realise. Especially a secret 'eyes only' one."

News flash! this guy was not an official British Government desk sitter, and there was no official British government memo.

It was just crap retyped on plain paper.

So where do you get "official British Government memo" from? Obviously, you are imagining it; Too many James Bond movies?

214 posted on 06/19/2005 10:33:35 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: Canard

Thanks for your last measured reply.

I apologize for being a bit irritated earlier.


215 posted on 06/19/2005 10:34:22 AM PDT by cyncooper
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To: cyncooper; All

Here's where the Lefties are freaking out.
They are desperately scared the memos story will be about the authenticity and not the subject.

Therefore, they are desperately trying to show they HAD to be real at some point because somebody in government may have answered a question that may have addressed the content at some time in or around a month ago or a year after 9/11.

Make no mistake. More and more memos were planned to be released and were planned to address questions after the first two were released.

I will bet anybody dollars to donuts the next six memos will have actual quotes by someone in the Bush Administration.

And I also will bet dollars to donuts the whole scam is a fraud, and Lefties are now left with egg on their face because nobody but nobody can produce actual evidence to prove Bush committed crimes and should be impeached.

However, I want to know what Homeland Security is doing about this? At what point will terrorist attacks (and make no mistake - removing the power structure of a free country through any means necessary is a terrorist attack) by our elected officials warrant time in Gitmo?


216 posted on 06/19/2005 10:34:23 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: Canard

I suggest you research and study our reactions to false information from our media.

You can start with the TANG memos by Dan Rather, follow-up with Jayson Blair, and you should pretty much "get" American voters.


217 posted on 06/19/2005 10:36:57 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: MEG33

The money-makers aren't going to be suckered again.
Dana Milbanks kicked their butts, as well.


218 posted on 06/19/2005 10:38:25 AM PDT by mabelkitty (Lurk forever, but once you post, your newbness shines like a new pair of shoes.)
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To: Canard
Look, here is from the news story:

" Smith told AP he protected the identity of the source he had obtained the documents from by typing copies of them on plain paperdestroying the originals."

Obviously what was presented to Blair was just crap printed on plain paper

"A senior British official who reviewed the copies said their content appeared authentic. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the secret nature of the material."

key words "their content". of course, this "official" is annonymous (they always are when they don't exist) No "official" would say content written on plain paper was authentic. This story stems from where? AP. It's not as if they never fabricated a story before, no siree!

What we have here is FRAUD on a grand scale, which warrants a grand jury investigation here, because it was used in an attmpt to discreadit a government during a time of war.

219 posted on 06/19/2005 10:41:48 AM PDT by Nathan Zachary
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To: mabelkitty
I just had to post this after finding it on DU. What total LOSERS. Enjoy.


220 posted on 06/19/2005 10:44:33 AM PDT by SIDENET ("You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred.")
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