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A Virus Like None Other Before it
American Enterprise Institute ^ | 14 June 2005 | Roger Bate

Posted on 06/14/2005 5:30:24 PM PDT by Voice in your head

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1 posted on 06/14/2005 5:30:25 PM PDT by Voice in your head
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...funding...should be reallocated to old foes such as malaria and tuberculosis, and to water quality improvements.

OK, but you don't get a pretty ribbon with malaria, tuberculosis and water quality.

2 posted on 06/14/2005 5:36:45 PM PDT by randog (What the....?!)
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amen


3 posted on 06/14/2005 5:38:34 PM PDT by brivette
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“The HIV/AIDS epidemic began as a localized outbreak in California and New York (not in east Africa, as claimed) and became international within 15 years,..."


Interesting ...this is the first time I've read this theory....I'd be interested in reading the data that supports this statement.

4 posted on 06/14/2005 5:38:59 PM PDT by Zacs Mom (Proud wife of a Marine! ... and purveyor of "rampant, unedited dialogue")
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BookMark! BTTT


5 posted on 06/14/2005 5:40:16 PM PDT by Alia
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In other words to get AIDs MONEY (sub Sahara Countries), are classifying a wide variety of aliments as AIDS when it may not be AIDs.

In order to scam money from developed countries?

6 posted on 06/14/2005 5:42:03 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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And I wouldn't be surprised if it starts a movement to have the developed world (read "U.S.") become responsible in every way for all the social and financial costs associated with the problem. Another global transfer in the mid-term future? It is too suggestive, as it is written.
You knew that writing off the African debt was not the end of the story, right?


7 posted on 06/14/2005 5:45:36 PM PDT by randomwalk (Liberalism is a psychosis...)
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Reading about partisan politics is fun.

Reading about AIDS is necessary, but not fun.


8 posted on 06/14/2005 5:46:01 PM PDT by slowpipe (" I'll go to school if you want me to, Pa. But I won't take Symbolic Logic.")
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In order to scam money from developed countries?

No wonder Bubba's involved.

9 posted on 06/14/2005 5:46:29 PM PDT by mewzilla
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later read.


10 posted on 06/14/2005 5:47:10 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Resisting evil is our duty or we are as responsible as those promoting it.)
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IOW Aids is political. But then all one needs to do to realize this is look at the $$$ spent per person infected versus other ailments.


11 posted on 06/14/2005 5:48:43 PM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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This man is right. There has been a massive disinformation program around HIV. What is called AIDS in 3rd world countries frequently is just a combination of other diseases that occur in poorly nourished areas with bad hygiene and too many people. It's being called AIDS now to politicize the disease and remove the "gay" stigma. It's not about a virus as much as it is about hygiene and better living conditions.


12 posted on 06/14/2005 5:54:45 PM PDT by blueblazes
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Furthermore, each change has broadened the definition of AIDS-qualifying diseases and caused the number of “cases” to rise continuously. For instance, cancer of the uterine cervix is classed as AIDS-qualifying, removing much of the skew to male prevalence in developed countries.

How can any intelligent person read that sentence and not see that the whole HIV=AIDS game is just a giant scam? They are now claiming that HIV "causes" (I guess that is what 'AIDS-qualifiying' means) cancer. If this is science then I'm a duck.

13 posted on 06/14/2005 5:54:51 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: randog; Voice in your head; Zacs Mom; Alia; agincourt1415; InterceptPoint; blueblazes; ...
OK, but you don't get a pretty ribbon with malaria, tuberculosis and water quality

Question: If it is due to malaria, TB and water-borne organisms, then how come most of the dead have been between the ages of 15-49? How come in the hardest hit areas (eg Uganda before they started intensive, and highly successful, abstinence/sex-ed programs ....and South Africa currently, which is still embroiled in a serious crisis) that many of the survivors are the very young and the very old? How come, using Uganda as an exampe again, there were whole villages where the only people present were children been taken care of by their grandparents?

The main victims of diseases like Malaria, as well as water-borne stuff like Bilharzia and Typhoid, are the very young and the very old. And the ones with the highest survival rates are adults. Yet how come that these prime victims (kids and the aged) are the same ones who are alive, and the highest-survival facet (adults) are being decimated?

I'd like to get a nice explanation about the strange antics of this strange 'malaria' and 'typhoid' trend in victim selection, because they are surely acting weird!

14 posted on 06/14/2005 6:01:02 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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The claim that AIDS comes from America makes Africa the victim and now we're obliged to send a lot more than that $16B I thought we sent there. A curious thought though, how does an urban, gay, intravenous kind of disease get to the remotest parts of Africa?


15 posted on 06/14/2005 6:02:41 PM PDT by printhead
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To be frank, and don't take this personally as I'm sure you're just honestly relaying what you understand, but I don't know that any of those stats are true. When it comes to the 3rd world I don't know if any stats are true. I figure it may all just be more propaganda either to get money or to serve some socio/political agenda.


16 posted on 06/14/2005 6:05:18 PM PDT by blueblazes
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Yeah, I can hear a voice saying FOLLOW the MONEY.


17 posted on 06/14/2005 6:10:36 PM PDT by agincourt1415 (4 More Years of NEW SHERIFF IN TOWN!)
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Actually, AEI is correct. Diagnoses of AIDS first happened in CA and NY. It wasn't immediately called "aids"; BUT world doctors responded with data, identifying Africa with victims having similar "symptoms" as those in California and Nevada. Soonafter, began speculation about "how it came from Africa to the US". Minor voices as to who from CA had been to Africa over the past 5 years.. But ultimately, it became a shouting match over funds as to "who (which country) had AIDS first".


18 posted on 06/14/2005 6:10:47 PM PDT by Alia
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What is called AIDS in 3rd world countries frequently is just a combination of other diseases that occur in poorly nourished areas with bad hygiene and too many people. It's being called AIDS now to politicize the disease and remove the "gay" stigma. It's not about a virus as much as it is about hygiene and better living conditions.

You are exactly right.

19 posted on 06/14/2005 6:12:09 PM PDT by Alia
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To be frank, and don't take this personally as I'm sure you're just honestly relaying what you understand, but I don't know that any of those stats are true. When it comes to the 3rd world I don't know if any stats are true. I figure it may all just be more propaganda either to get money or to serve some socio/political agenda.

I'm not taking it personally. No need to. But you should note that in my International Baccalaureate program (sort of a grade 13-14, if there was such a thing, that i had to take in the last 2 years before i came to the US) I spent a lot of time doing something called CAS (Community Action Service). And the facets i undertook dealt and delved into kids with cancer, the homeless aged, and the HIV issue. Unlike 99% of people on this thread I have seen what I am talking about. Unlike 99% of this thread I am not relying on statistics. And while I agree with you that many governments are using this as a political crutch, I also know that it is not due to 'malaria' or 'poor water.'

20 posted on 06/14/2005 6:13:32 PM PDT by spetznaz (Nuclear tipped ICBMs: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol.)
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