[Always Right]

I put this together simply because every time you try to debate the Sales Tax worshipers you are called names such as commie, NAZI, IRS-lover, liar, and disrupter. So let the name-calling began. I don't accept many of the outlandish claims made by the Sales Tax 'experts'. This utopia promised by the Sales Tax faithful is no different than the disasters promised by the fear-mongering global warmers. It's all based on unrealistic assumptions and faulty computer modeling rigged to produce the desired result.

[LonePalm]

I want a National Sales Tax if, for no other reason, it makes every person that pays it angry at the tax (and rate) every time they pay it.

Too many people do not contribute to the cost of government.

A sales tax instead of an income tax will make people understand the cost of government. (And NO rebates for poor people. Make them pay for their government too. Everyone should contribute.)

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)
LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

[freepatriot32]

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[pointsal]

For goodness sakes, I cannot think of a bigger waste of time and resources than the time and money I spend preparing my books for compliance with IRS requirements! Throw the existing system out!

[Doctor Stochastic]

You left out the ease with which the National Retail Sales Tax can be used for Social Engineering. The first Texas sales tax did exactly that; sugar purchased for baking cookies was not taxed (food), but sugar purchased for making candy was (industrial.) As the current proposal reads, buying a riding lawnmower to mow your own lawn is subject to tax; buying the same lawnmower to mow other peoples lawn isn't a final use; and thus not taxed. (Similarly for bags of fertilizer.)

Things that deemed harmful (taxed, alcohol, firearms) or socially useless (television, movies, chewing gum, hamburgers, soft drinks) can easily be taxed differentially. Similarly for professions. Socially harmful services (rich man, poor man, beggar man, thief) can be taxed higher than socially useful ones (doctor, lawyer, indian chief.)

[cowtowney]

This is a synopsis of an article from the liberal Brookings Institute.

Frequently, the assumptions of models are based on a fixed pie theory. This is incorrect.

I agree with a previous poster that said that either one would be superior to our current system.

[EternalVigilance]

Every one of your eleven points lies in smoking ruins, destroyed by a multitude of clear statements of reality.

Are you still happy you posted them?

[Temple Owl]

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[Tribune7]

My vote is for a simplified and lower income tax, with the savings coming from less government.

[editor-surveyor]

"This utopia promised by the Sales Tax faithful is no different than the disasters promised by the fear-mongering global warmers. It's all based on unrealistic assumptions and faulty computer modeling rigged to produce the desired result."

It's called the 'foot in the door.'

Just like the "introductory rate" of a variable interest mortgage, which is usually at least a full point below the rate that would be generated by the formula in the contract. A national sales tax would be a disaster for our economy, and a huge reduction in our personal freedom.

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[guardian_of_liberty]

Lets not forget that we get to keep ALL of our pay check.
For me that means that I get an additional 500 to 700 dollars every two weeks. I know I can use the extra money to cover whatever extra tax I might have to spend for an item if i deciede to purchase it. Or I can not buy the item and pay no tax. The CHOICE is Mine.
But the best part is the Government is out of my personal finances and rightly does not need to know how much I earn.

[guardian_of_liberty]

Lets not forget that we get to keep ALL of our pay check.
For me that means that I get an additional 500 to 700 dollars every two weeks. I know I can use the extra money to cover whatever extra tax I might have to spend for an item if i deciede to purchase it. Or I can not buy the item and pay no tax. The CHOICE is Mine.
But the best part is the Government is out of my personal finances and rightly does not need to know how much I earn.

[guardian_of_liberty]

Lets not forget that we get to keep ALL of our pay check.
For me that means that I get an additional 500 to 700 dollars every two weeks. I know I can use the extra money to cover whatever extra tax I might have to spend for an item if i deciede to purchase it. Or I can not buy the item and pay no tax. The CHOICE is Mine.
But the best part is the Government is out of my personal finances and rightly does not need to know how much I earn.

[I_dmc]

An old adage is raise taxes on what you wish to discourage, lower taxes on what you wish to encourage. Therefore, I propose government employees pay all taxes.

[Sprite518]

Yeah that's it! When people read the fair tax, and then listen to this. One can drawl only two conclusions. Neither are flattering. One you did not the fair tax so you do not know what you are talking about. Two you are not telling the truth.

This reminds of moveon.org stuff.

[Sprite518]

You need to go take Math 101 too. Where did you learn your math in a government school? LOL! 23% of 100 is not 30 stupid! It is 23. Just think of it as 1% = 1$.

You make a lot of assumptions too. For one thing taxes are different in every state, and you are saying every state has the same tax code. You are also assuming that prices will remain the same, and NOTHING will go down. See you are either intentionally doing this, or lack the understanding of why prices are the way they are. In other you do not think corporations factor in taxes before they set a price.

I could go on and on about this, but I am not going to waste my time. If lies were measured in the brightness of light. Then you would be the Sun regarding this piece of $hit!

[television is just wrong]

The underground economy is growing daily. Illegal aliens will find a way to bypass the tax system. The feds will let them slide and expect law abiding taxpayers to pick up the cost of that as well.

Any way we are all had. Paying for those people illegally in the country, and the number is growing daily with them and their 'anchor babies'.

[Radioactive]

I can never figure out why there are debates with the sales tax and flat taxers.

The only really good tax is no tax.

When I say that I mean that people would not pay taxes.

We would allow the government to tax the creation of money. It would take 10% of all money created by the government in order to run the economy.

Soooooo....here is what would happen.....

1. It would give the government and not the FED the responsibility of printing money. That would give us immediate results in 2 ways. First it would get rid of the monkey on our back that is the Federal Reserve. And it would get rid of the IRS...the enforcement arm of the central bankers.

2. It would keep the government to 10% of the economic power of the US, more than enough to allow it to function within its constitutional limits.

3. It would save massive amounts of enforcement dollars because there would be cheating on any tax that would involve a flat tax or a sales tax. You still would need some agency to enforce any law mandating anyone to file.

3. There would be no filing. No paperwork, no mailing, no reporting to anyone how much you made.

4.There would be no more April 15th and no more anguish that a deadline would make. This is a blind tax. One that requires the government to be job friendly instead of passing laws that benefit the companies that move production overseas.

The flat tax and sales tax people forget that when you have the government collecting data on how much you made or making business a tax collection arm of the government, you get higher costs to cover those expenses.

A tax on the creation of money is the only sane and reasonable tax that would make sense.

[Diplomat]

The biggest fallacy of a national sales tax is the notion that other taxes will be eliminated when this is done.

[txoilman]

Two thirds of all economic activity results from consumer spending. Therefore, I do not like the national sales tax due to the potential negative effect on consumer spending and would prefer a simplified tax system based on the flat tax.

[Willie Green]

I put this together simply because every time you try to debate the Sales Tax worshipers you are called names such as commie, NAZI, IRS-lover, liar, and disrupter

Please revise your list.
The #1 secret (which blows everything else out of the water) is that this fradulent tax "reform" is based on the pseudo-religious teachings of L. Ron Hubbard.

Writing science fiction for about a penny a word is no way to make a living. If you really want to make a million, the quickest way is to start your own religion.

~ L. Ron Hubbard

...the movement for consumption-based taxation has been hijacked by a group of extremists whose principal interest is abolishing the Internal Revenue Service.²¹ They believe that if virtually all federal taxes are abolished and replaced with a retail sales tax like those in the states, then the states can simply collect the federal government's revenue for it, thereby allowing for abolition of the IRS...

²¹ The Church of Scientology originated this legislation as part of a campaign against the IRS because it refused for many years to allow gifts to the church to be deducted as legitimate charitable contributions, on the grounds that it was not a true church. The IRS eventually relented. See Davis (1997) and Starobin (1995) for discussions of the Church of Scientology's role in the sales tax campaign.

Davis, Bob. 1997. "CATS Out of the Bag." World, 12:9 (May 31/June 7).
Starobin, Paul. 1995. "No Returns." National Journal (March 18): 666-671.

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