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Top 11 Secrets of a National Retail Sales Tax
Various | 6-10-05 | Always Right

Posted on 06/10/2005 11:13:37 AM PDT by Always Right

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To: SALChamps03
I guess we have the same problem, then.

Seriously, I apologize if I came across too much that way. However, you are posting on a thread where many participants call other posters liars, so you need to have a thick skin here!

441 posted on 06/11/2005 9:06:18 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: expatpat

Your response is a lot more generalized hand-waving than mine.

"As I challenged you before in #249, quantify it across the broad economy as has been done by others."

I'm afraid I don't have the time or inclination to carry out the large project you propose,

Its been done for you in #249 by Dale Jorgenson.

especially since you and your FT co-religionists would reject it, anyway.

Inspite of the fact that you SQL co-religionists reject it anyway.

442 posted on 06/11/2005 9:06:36 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: FreedomCalls
"Required"? I thought you said it was voluntary. Which is it?

Take your fingers out of your eyes.

The prebate is voluntary - you may simply choose not to get it. That's why it is voluntary.

If you choose to receive it however, there are requirements: recipients must be legal residents and have a valid SSN. If you volunteer to receive the prebate, it is required that you be a legal resident with a valid SSN.

You would prefer that there be no requirements to receiving the prebate?... then you could complain about there being no requirements. It doesn't matter what bill it is or what's in the bill - you will fight any tax reform.

443 posted on 06/11/2005 9:07:34 AM PDT by Principled
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To: ancient_geezer
"As I challenged you before in #249, quantify it across the broad economy as has been done by others."
Do we get to cut people's wages like Jorgenson and Wilcoxen did in their simulation?
444 posted on 06/11/2005 9:08:19 AM PDT by Your Nightmare (::tick:: ::tick:: ::tick::)
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To: lewislynn
Only a stupid idiot would think a 30% tax makes it worth 30% more than the actual value.

The actual value is what the market will pay for the home.

If you buy a house for $260,000 are you going to sell it for less than that? Of course not. Nobody will (excepting distressed sales).

Your position that people will begin selling there homes for less than they paid for it is absurd.

445 posted on 06/11/2005 9:10:14 AM PDT by Principled
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To: Phantom Lord

I'm more than aware of this.

Alabama does this because they can't stand the proposition that people might go out of state in order to get a better deal.

You'll never get me to support sales taxes, especially when the guy I'm supporting in the Mayoral election is promising to lower our sales taxes.


446 posted on 06/11/2005 9:10:56 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (Farragut got lucky, if we had been on our game, we would have blasted him off Dauphin Island)
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To: ancient_geezer

See #253.


447 posted on 06/11/2005 9:10:57 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: ancient_geezer
Everything you say is either a lie or hypothetical....

Other than the rate for the first year and everyone who wants one would get a check from the government, there isn't anything about the outcome of your sales tax that isn't wishful thinking, hope, conjecture and lies.

448 posted on 06/11/2005 9:11:08 AM PDT by lewislynn ( Is calling for energy independence a "protectionist" act?)
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To: ancient_geezer

We could couple it with a repeal of all campaign finance laws.

As politicians, if it was politically tenable, they would love to repeal every campaign finance law on the book because it makes their jobs that much harder. If you had any sign of public support for such a thing, they'd do it.


449 posted on 06/11/2005 9:12:51 AM PDT by AzaleaCity5691 (Farragut got lucky, if we had been on our game, we would have blasted him off Dauphin Island)
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To: Your Nightmare

Do we get to cut people's wages like Jorgenson and Wilcoxen did in their simulation?

If you don't want any employees, go ahead.

Leaving the simulation equations open to express a potential of higher or lower wages, and lowering them are two enterly different conditions.

The first is the general characterisation of the simulation. The later is a result not found in the conclusions.

Nice try though.

450 posted on 06/11/2005 9:13:05 AM PDT by ancient_geezer (Don't reform it, Replace it!!)
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To: Principled

But aren't you one of the guys that claims that cutting prices will increse sales? To be consistent, you have to admit that raising gross house prices will reduce house sales.


452 posted on 06/11/2005 9:13:59 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: pointsal
For goodness sakes, I cannot think of a bigger waste of time and resources than the time and money I spend preparing my books for compliance with IRS requirements!

Read this:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/F?c109:1:./temp/~c109LMUkMo:e68906:

They want you to compile and file monthly tax returns! You think the IRS takes a lot of your time -- you ain't seen nothing until you look at what the NRST people want you to do.

454 posted on 06/11/2005 9:19:47 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: ancient_geezer
OK. Let me rephrase for the master parser.

Do we get to allow wages to drop like Jorgenson and Wilcoxen did in their simulation even though it would be impossible to do in reality.
455 posted on 06/11/2005 9:21:41 AM PDT by Your Nightmare (::tick:: ::tick:: ::tick::)
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To: lewislynn
P: only a stupid idiot would sell a house for less than he paid.

Why would you sell the ... house for less ...?

LL: I thought you said there would be 20 to 30% price reductions? A $200,000 home purchased today would be worth only $140,000 in your world.

Lots of people say 20-35% price reductions - especially on a product with so many links in the production chain.

Under the nrst, a the same home could be built free of the costs of our income tax system for about $150,000. Then at sale for retail the tax is added for a $195,000 sale price. The more links in the production chain, the more embedded tax costs are in the price.

456 posted on 06/11/2005 9:23:13 AM PDT by Principled
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To: ancient_geezer
It seems to escape your notice that the guy doing the lawn mowing for other people, is required to collect and remitt tax for his service from his customers.

Do you seriously expect a teenager mowing lawns in the summer for spending money to file all the proper paperwork and remit the NRST? Who's going to enforce that? Talk about an intrusive taxman!

457 posted on 06/11/2005 9:26:23 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Always Right
Medical services are taxable,

just as medical services today contain a 25% tax cost component.

...so every penny a hospital or independant doctor receives they must remit sales tax.

Medical services are taxed today to the same extent by way of the income tax on business, the employer payroll tax, and associated tax costs. When those costs are eliminated and the nrst is added, price comes right back to very near today's price....but we have no more withholding in our paychecks...

458 posted on 06/11/2005 9:27:19 AM PDT by Principled
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To: ancient_geezer

"Doubt very much you will find much concensus as to mode of taxation...This thread is a good example of the entrenched attitudes that exist on the subject...Basically it comes down to those who believe they have an economic haven in the current system want to maintain it, those that perceive a disadvantage to themselves or families in the current system want a major change away from how taxation is accomplished today."

You are right of course. That is why my comment about 'concensus on this forum' was followed with :)

We could probably get 90+% agreeing that spending should be significantly reduced. We probably could also get 90+% agreeing that the IRS should be 'abolished'. Concensus on how to accomplish these two items would be difficult to get.


459 posted on 06/11/2005 9:28:02 AM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea
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To: pointsal
Change the tax system. It's broke.

Change the Congressional Budget Process - it's broke.

460 posted on 06/11/2005 9:28:39 AM PDT by balrog666 (A myth by any other name is still inane.)
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