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Top 11 Secrets of a National Retail Sales Tax
Various | 6-10-05 | Always Right

Posted on 06/10/2005 11:13:37 AM PDT by Always Right

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To: Fido969

Did you have pictures of the profs in order to graduate from college?

You called them useless. I asked a question to elicit your meaning and you refuse to answer. It's an easy question.

What do you mean by useless heirs? Why do you resent them so?

Keep on dodging and weaving. I no longer expect any shred of honesty from you. ( o )


1,201 posted on 06/14/2005 3:04:51 PM PDT by Badray
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To: expatpat

Well, waiting *may* bring a much needed house cleaning and a swift kick in the slats to the elite who just love being in DC rather than back in their districts.

But since it does make much more sense, they won't do it until the worst happens.


1,202 posted on 06/14/2005 3:09:14 PM PDT by Badray
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To: Badray

What the hell are you talking about? Pictures of profs from college?

Have you been drinking?



1,203 posted on 06/14/2005 3:29:58 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

You are really slow on the uptake all the way around.

IOW, what I was saying is that you are too freaking stupid to have graduated from college on you own and that you must have blackmailed your profs to get the grades needed to pass. Therefore, the references to the pictures.

Now, if you aren't going to address the original question, just go away.


1,204 posted on 06/14/2005 4:27:34 PM PDT by Badray
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To: Badray

Dollars to donuts he won't adddress the original question. Never has, never will.

He'll just keep trying to hurl pathetic, childish insults at you.


1,205 posted on 06/14/2005 4:44:51 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: ancient_geezer; Always Right; EternalVigilance; Bigun; pigdog; Principled

AR writes:

"I am very confident your numbers can only work if employees take a pay cut."

I don't see why a pay cut would be necessary, but just for a moment, let's assume the worst case scenario. Let's throw out all we know about economics and also ignore all the facts, evidence and experience, and pretend that competition and informed consumer demand doesn't exist.

Let's even say that prices after the imbedded costs are gone, but manufacturers, distributers, and retailers refuse to lower their price.

If I make a grand a week, but really only get $700 take home with the current system, and for simplicity's sake, I now take home the full $1000 (a 42.86% increase in available cash PLUS I get the rebate, am I not still better off with the FairTax?

Now, to make the scenario even darker, throw in a pay cut.

How much of a cut do I have to take to actually become worse off than I am under the current system? Will it vary along the pay range?

I don't believe that all of these possibilities would all occur at once, if they happen at all, but even in the furthest extreme, it'll be hard to be worse off with the FT than we are now under the IT.

Am I wrong? What if anything am I missing?


1,206 posted on 06/14/2005 5:01:26 PM PDT by Badray
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To: Badray

You must obviously be lying ... would the SQLers try to mislead???

Surely they can find a way to define you getting so big a pay drop under the FairTax that your grandmother will have to dress in old flour sacks.


1,207 posted on 06/14/2005 5:14:24 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: editor-surveyor
"...but they are definately deluded about what any final act would look like, and don't understand the implementation process that goes with any act of congress. The regulations that are finally published rarely resemble the bill originally offered."

If the bill in it's final form does not do what the sponsors intended, they will pull the bill or vote against it to assure it's defeat.

But what if we actually do get this passed as is, do you have problems with what it IS or just what you fear it MAY become?

1,208 posted on 06/14/2005 5:19:02 PM PDT by Badray
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To: Badray
" you are too freaking stupid to have graduated from college"

ha ha ha ha.

And you, I take it, were the president of the debating club at Yale.

ha ha ha ha

1,209 posted on 06/14/2005 6:46:01 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Badray

He's not smart enough to draft an answer along the lines of the post and has no notion of what is being discussed.

He obviously just came on the thread to throw insults at people, not to discuss the FairTax. He's had several opportunities to respond but has never done so in any sort of a fashion resembling intelligence - and he probably never will.

I doubt that he's smart enough.


1,210 posted on 06/14/2005 7:02:00 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Well, it's a good thing that beevis and butthead here have each other to play with. You're kind of the "Special Olympics" discussion section of FR.
1,211 posted on 06/14/2005 7:53:44 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

That's a REALLY intelligent post that furthers the only on-subject comment you've ever made on the thread which, when challenged, you ran away from and hid behind nothing but a childish stream of insults.

If you're going to do nothing but insult others at least get a bit creative. And don't let you mind wander - it's far too small to be let out on its own


1,212 posted on 06/14/2005 8:21:06 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
"don't let you mind wander - it's far too small to be let out on its own"

Hmmm... did someone fart?

Oh, no, it's just pigdog again, popping up with a lame excuse for a FLAME. Ooooo, oooo... oooo....

Brilliant riposte. Yeah, that really cut me too the quick. I'm just speechless.

(ha ha ha ha)

1,213 posted on 06/14/2005 8:26:33 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Badray
If I make a grand a week, but really only get $700 take home with the current system, and for simplicity's sake, I now take home the full $1000 (a 42.86% increase in available cash PLUS I get the rebate, am I not still better off with the FairTax?

Am I wrong? What if anything am I missing?

The problem is, if employees are pocking their full paycheck, 2/3rds of the so-called embedded taxes are still in the costs of the products. Your takehome pay will go up, but after the 30% tax is added, most prices will go up 20%, some will go up the full 30%.

1,214 posted on 06/14/2005 8:44:57 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Fido969

What's wrong, don't you get any attention back home?

I notice that you have never responded to the poster who tore your initial efforts apart (except to try to denigrate him) - so that means you've decided it is better to push out insults than think. With your brain capacity that figures ... and of course the original statement for which you were taken to task is still an example of extreme ignorance.

Have you even read the FairTax bill??


1,215 posted on 06/14/2005 8:46:13 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
"I notice that you have never responded to the poster who tore your initial efforts apart"

Yes I did.

1,216 posted on 06/14/2005 8:51:11 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

Which post number do you consider a response?

Have you read the FairTax bill?


1,217 posted on 06/14/2005 9:01:12 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: pigdog
Which post number do you consider a response?

To which poster? I see where I am being attacked by three different ones - sort of a Larry, Curley and Moe effort.

(And about as funny as well.)

1,218 posted on 06/14/2005 9:09:17 PM PDT by Fido969
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To: Fido969

To the poster Principled starting about #213. He was attempting an honest dialogue with you which looked as though it would be very informative.

You were sidetracked by some intervening posters and never really continued with Principled instead getting drawn into the angry, name-calling mode that accomplishes nothing.

If you'd really like to learn worthwhile facts about the FairTax, Principled has a wealth of knowledge he can share with you. First though, it helps to know if you read the bill at all recently. If you ping him, he'll no doubt respond.

If you choose a different route that you seem now intent upon, I'll tell you that you have (accidently) picked the wrong guy, I assure you. And I couldn't care less whether you believe that or not.

I'd recommend you try to keep going with Principled if you at all to wish to find out more about the FairTax. You seem to have only a knowledge of it based upon assumptions you (or someone else, perhaps) has made.


1,219 posted on 06/14/2005 9:42:17 PM PDT by pigdog
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To: biblewonk
The bible also says that God establishes governments as His ministers for your good.

And based on your bizarre theory, I guess these guys were the popes: Joseph Stalin Adolph Hitler Idi Amin Pol Pot Chou En Lai Saddam Hussein Are you seriously telling me that these governments were established for the good of the people? What god do you worship?

1,220 posted on 06/14/2005 11:22:27 PM PDT by Badray
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