Posted on 06/07/2005 5:22:03 AM PDT by Gipper08
I am not a transplanted NY'er. Originally from michigan.
Ok, George Allen I am open too as an 08 candidate. Tancredo, Pence, and the other monkeys I am not open to at all. I just want to follow up strong 06 run with a strong 08 presidential campaign. Like someone said earlier, one issue candidates wont do much but hamper the GOP.
This border business is not a fraction as important as you apparently assume. I would oppose McCain (as will most Republicans) for his sellout on the judges (rounding up six other quisling Republicans to oppose the nuclear option). I respect him (whatever the problems incurred in the Hanoi Hilton) for his generally meritorious tenure in the Hanoi Hilton, for graduating Annapolis (not always a recommendation: see Jimmuh Peanut) and for an ancestry including a distinguished father and grandfather in US Naval service. None of that merits him the presidency as he has repeatedly demonstrated as a senator.
Our next president will be reliably pro-life and will see to the absolute reform of the SCOTUS, the FedAppeals Courts and the FedTrial Courts. McCain would not be reliable. Our next president will be nationalist and interventionist. McCain who has kissed and made up with the Vietnamese communists is neither. Our next president will not be an eccentric fruitcake of a personality with numbskull public policy positions. That rules out McCain and Tancredo. Our next president will take care of basic business. Ditto.
How many new Mexicans will have to cross that southern border before SCOTUS is under control and abortion outlawed again? I will listen to border issues when Roe vs. Wade is as much an abolished memory as Auschwitz, not before. I am not depending on the Junior League, the yacht club and the polo players to end the American Holocaust and why should I?
As to borders, get in line, take a number and wait your turn until we can get around to it after the abortion and lavender mania issues are dealt with. By comparison to 45+ million slaughtered kids, poor people who are social issue allies coming North does not seem very important.
For those who want social "stability", our status quo stinks. It is time to reshuffle the deck and not to stabilize it.
Hillary would wipe the floor with McCain.
The last before JFK was Warren Gamaliel Harding, a one term-US Senator who intended to retire when the mandate of heaven fell upon his noble but somewhat challenged head. I like him anyway but the Democrats were distracted by deciding which Klan guy should be nominated by them. He was much too oriented toward disarmament and internationalist schemes of that sort but he was a very decent guy.
The other was clueless Benjamin Harrison of Indiana. The following should suffice as a description: On the morning after the election of Harrison, the senator went to the office of his campaign manager, Matt Quay, and said to Quay: Matt, thank God we won the election (which was razor close). Quay responded: Benjamin: God had nothing to do with it. We bought every vote you got.
In nearly 220 years, less than 50 Americans have been president. Rudy will get over his disappointment somehow. I also believe that no NYC mayor has been elected to higher office as governor, senator, president or whatever. I am not certain of this but, if I am wrong, darn few have moved up.
Tancredo is about as serious a figure as Liberty Bell Lemke or Harold Stassen was.
Did someone mention DISCIPLINE????? Black Elk, at your service!
I was simply introducing you to the reality you resist. Unlike rainy days, EVERY day is a BIG immigration day. If you don't believe that nothing CAN be done about it, then, trust me, nothing WILL be done about it. On these threads, I always ask the border moonbats to explain a CONSTITUTIONAL program by which the immigration can realistically be stopped. Whining won't do it. If it is sooooooo possible, give me and us the "realistic" and constitutional and legal and financial details.
That means concrete plans not more complaining in the wilderness. We make you president tomorrow. What do you do?????? Second question: What will you do to undo the damage to America caused by abandoning the Hispanic vote to an alliance between Hispanics and African-Americans which already totals more than 25% of our population but is now seriously split between Rs and Ds with substantial numbers of Hispanic Rs. Do you want our politics to have R victories dependin on getting more than 2/3 of the white vote to win narrowly?????? I don't like those implications. Support Tancredo if you want to waste your time but the rest of us will be electing a president and it will not be Tancredo or anyone like him.
Since most of us don't want them to come by the millions (read the polls, there's quite a few "moonbats" out there) then it's going to be either Tancredo or someone like him in 2008, mark my words. We cannot go on forever taking in world in the hopes that maybe they'll vote GOP or save Social Security or whatever warm and fuzzy reason is given. That's not good immigration policy.
If it is sooooooo possible, give me and us the "realistic" and constitutional and legal and financial details.
You say you're not being defeatist but this question says you are. Eisenhower already proved it's possible to stop illegal immigration by following two simple policies: put the military on the border and have some interior enforcement. It's not rocket science.
Tancredo is a counterproductive idjit.
Pence has a whole lot to offer but he is nowhere near seasoned enough to be viable. I think as people get to know him he will grow in stature. He is modest but principled and looks very professional as a legislator. Don't write off Pence. Again, he may never be president but I would be astounded if he does not make a major mark pleasing to most of us.
There are numerous Demonrat senators aching to be trashcanned in states that owe more to America.
New England: Beyond foreseeable hope. Retaining Judd Gregg and John Sununu in New Hampshire can probably occur but it will get somewhat harder. Snowe, Collins and Chaffee are useless but for organizing the Senate. Which will be the next Judas Jeffords? Probably Chaffee but who knows.
Mid-Atlantic:
Maryland (2006) Sarbanes retires. Lieutenant Governor Michael Steele (rising black star and solidly conservative and NOT overheated like Alan Keyes) loses Baltimore to Kweisi Mfume but carries the rest of the state by more. A star is born. AND run Governor Ehrlich against lavender Butch Mikulski. Maybe we get lucky. Conservatively: +1
Pennsylvania: (2006) Realistically, work like hell to retain Santorum but find the best candidate to take the governor's office since Rendell is term-limited and Spector will die during this gubernatorial term or next. Santorum is a very good organizer and, as governor, can turn Pennsylvania into a reliable red state, appoint Melissa Hart to the Spector vacancy when it occurs and then take his own seat back from pro-life but economically socialist Bob Casey, Jr. Status remains quo until conservatives have BOTH seats or Worst Case: Casey beats Santorum. EVEN
New Jersey: Forrester has the gubernatorial nod and an ability to raise money but far less than Corzine will spend of his own. Conservatives might be motivated by a written (but unpublicized) promise to appoint Bret Schundler to the Senate when Lautenberg croaks. STILL EVEN
Leave MidAtlantic which is generally a wasteland.
THE SOUTHLAND: 11 Confederate states plus West Virginia, Kentucky, Missouri. There are 4 DemonSenators left in the Confederacy: Bill Nelson FL, Mary Landrieu (LA), Pryor and Lincoln in Arkansas. Also Sheets Byrd and Jay Rockefeller in trending red West Virginia.
WEST VIRGINIA: Congresswoman Sherry Moore Caputo can beat Sheets who leads her by only 3% right now: that is three per cent!!!!! 46 years of the old blithering idjit is more than enough and West Virginia is poised. If he goes down, then Rockefeller should be vulnerable too but who would the candidate be???? +1
FLORIDA: Katherine Harris, sporting two pounds of mistletoe hanging from the back of her belt as a message to left moonbats, spend her family money and political capital as necessary and becomes Senator Harris. That makes Mary landrieu the easternmost Confederate State Demonratic Senator. Imagine Howard Dean's reaction!!!!!! New DNC website: moonbat.com
+2 ARKANSAS: hope to get lucky: Governor Mike Huckabee???? against either Senator. Realistically: still +2 SOUTHWEST:
NEW MEXICO: Beat Bingamon. New Mexico owes more to America. +3
COLORADO: Not easy but take out Salazar: Bill Owens???? +4
MOUNTAIN STATES:
NEVADA: Say goodbye to Dingy Harry. Fully fund the GOP Congressman to beat him. +5
MONTANA: Max Baucus is beatable. Do it. +6
PLAINS:
NORTH DAKOTA: Run the current GOP governor and his immediate GOP predecessor against Conrad and Dorgan and beat the two Demonrats. Find a challenger to defeat Demonrat Congressman Earl Pomeroy to prevent a future Demonrat Senate candidacy. +8
SOUTH DAKOTA: Save Ellsworth Air Force base from closure as Thune promised South Dakota and we will beat Johnson next time. Let Ellsworth close andwe lose Thune. Save the base. +9
NEBRASKA: Tell Ben Nelson to change to GOP or beat him. +10
MINNESOTA: Dayton retires. Congressman Mark Kennedy beats whomever. +11
WISCONSIN: Herb Kohl has mountains of money and is oherwise invisible. Governor Doyle is a crook, a reddish pink, a liar and NOT very popular. There is a surplus of quality gubernatorial candidates. Take one and make a dream ticket with the other running for Senate. +12
IOWA: Harkin has probably served longer than anyone in state history. Why did he rise to defense of Terri Schiavo? What does he know that we do not about his internal polls? Again, Iowa has a surplus of first rate youngish GOP Congressman wanting higher office. That is the tradition in Iowa and how both Grassley and Harkin rose to the Senate. +13
ILLINOIS: Hey, I live in a very GOP part of the state. How about Dickie Durbin? Rising in Demonrat leadership usually shortens careers. A recent Chicago Tribune poll showed Governor Boy Wonder Blagojovich (or however he spells it) in red hot water with a 34% (Yes, folks, that is THIRTY-FOUR percent approval). Downstate (where Durbin comes from) is NOT pleased. Not likely but possible as to Durbin. I would even put up with Oberweis to beat Durbin. STILL +13
WEST:
WASHINGTON: Dino Rossi beats Maria Cantwell. Run Kirby Wilbur against Comrade Patricia Murray. +14
Feel free to add others. We need to gain a net 5 to get 60 Senators. there are 14 good shots and a few less likely. Elect 7 and put Allen or someone like him in the White House and we are in business. Even SCOTUS justices HAVE to die someday and by REALLY packing SCOTUS will end the social issue wars for now.
And to add to it, by the end of the campaign it was obvious that his heart just wasn't in it. We saw him here--it was very sad.
2. If you think that you have what it takes to stop the immigration, have at it. I don't think you do and no exclusionist polcy of that sort has ever worked in the US.
3. Reagan was the best because he opened his arms, his party and his nation to people of good will. Stop taking his name in vain if you must insist on creating a Berlin Wall (selectively) on our southern border. Let us say in advance of that which will never be: Mr. Tancredo: Tear Down This Wall!
4. Again, since I absolutely disagree with you, it is hardly defeatism on my part to confidently predict a continuation of the immigration. And they are going to vote, too. I know that anti-immigration types at their lapel-grabbing stage cannot comprehend that anyone could actually disagree with them but you are going to find out how many do and how well they work politically. As your frustration builds over the next 20 years, remember that pro-lifers are on their feet after 33 years and counting and glacially getting near the point of smashing SCOTUS. Get back to us when you have half that many years uner your belt and any hope whatever of winning.
5. Your plans are not practical:
a. Eisenhower was a verrrrrrry long time ago and I don't remember any efforts by him to close our southern border. That I don't remember does not mean that it didn't happen.
b. Do you have any notion of how long the Mexican-American border is? Or the Canadian border or our shorelines???? You better be prepared to guard every inch because cutting off Mexico only will give you your first 14th Amendment problem. The words: "No rational basis for such a policy" come to mind. Equal protection for ALL PERSONS comes to mind. Hisanics were not the issue du jour of Earl Warren's SCOTUS or Fred Vinson's.
c. Interior enforcement????? Is that in the same country wherein SDS murderers successfully lived underground for up to thirty years with no realistic fear of being arrested????? Bernardine Doern?? Bill Ayres??? and many others?????
You folks slay me. You think you can throw a temper tantrum and the powers that be are going to knuckle under and obey you. And NO, Tancredo is not going to be president. Fight some real long-term fights and see what it is all about.
"Our next president will take care of basic business. Ditto."
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Why do we have to wait for the next president? Has this one gone on vacation?
McCain and his daughter are on the cover, and McCain has his good side to the camera.
Wow, what a spread he's got in Phoenix!! What a little Keating Five and Sugar Daddy-in-law money can buy these days...
Bush has a nice ranch, too.
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