Slavery And the Second Amendment (George Curry Hates Condi, AGAIN!)

The Atlanta Daily World (whatever the hell that is...) ^ | 6/6/05 | George E. Curry

[section9]

Okay, aside from giving you guys this fellow's contact site, can anyone see the logic hole in his column? The Second Amendment formed to control the slaves?

Anyway, this guy has been on a tear about Condi and guns for a while. If you'd like, go visit this clown and tell him that it would have been hard for the Va. Legislature to be meeting in 1779 to ratify a Constitution that couldn't have been drawn up until 1787.

His entire argument rests on the fiction that the Framers were interested in arming black folks. They weren't. Rice has never said that. However, her father took advantage of the Second Amendment to defend his home. That's what Curry is missing.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[Dan from Michigan]

Carl Bogus is his source. That's all I need to know. He is or one of the top lawyers with HCI/Brady. Bogus is Bogus.

[mvpel]

http://www.firearmsandliberty.com/cramer.racism.html

The historical record provides compelling evidence that racism underlies gun control laws -- and not in any subtle way. Throughout much of American history, gun control was openly stated as a method for keeping blacks and Hispanics "in their place," and to quiet the racial fears of whites. This paper is intended to provide a brief summary of this unholy alliance of gun control and racism, and to suggest that gun control laws should be regarded as "suspect ideas," analogous to the "suspect classifications" theory of discrimination already part of the American legal system.

Racist arms laws predate the establishment of the United States. Starting in 1751, the French Black Code required Louisiana colonists to stop any blacks, and if necessary, beat "any black carrying any potential weapon, such as a cane." If a black refused to stop on demand, and was on horseback, the colonist was authorized to "shoot to kill." [1] Slave possession of firearms was a necessity at times in a frontier society, yet laws continued to be passed in an attempt to prohibit slaves or free blacks from possessing firearms, except under very restrictively controlled conditions. [2] Similarly, in the sixteenth century the colony of New Spain, terrified of black slave revolts, prohibited all blacks, free and slave, from carrying arms. [3]

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[rhombus]

...an associate professor at Roger Williams University Law School, wrote: "The Second Amendment was not enacted to provide a check on government tyranny; rather, it was written to assure the Southern states that Congress would not undermine the slave system by using its newly acquired constitutional authority over the militia to disarm the state militia and thereby destroy the South's principal instrument of slave control."

I find this hard to believe. A little something happened at the Concord bridge. The red coats intent was to remove guns from private households. I find it hard to believe that at the very least this incident was not in the minds of the founders.

[boris]

"Bogus" is appropriate.

Also, the Second Amendment contains but a single comma.

--Boris

[stainlessbanner]

bttt

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

There's apparently a good reason why he's named Bogus.

[RAY]

Curry misses the point that the states would not have ratified the Constitution without the Bill of Rights, which included the 2nd Amendment.

[section9]

Oh hell, I wrote Curry and told him in advance not to use Bellesilles. I bet he does. You watch! He's probably foolish enough not to know that Bellesilles is a scam artist.

Didn't know about Bogus' connection to the Brady outfit, but now your revelation explains Curry's eagerness to accept Bogus' interpretation of history.

Be Seeing You,

Chris

[justshutupandtakeit]

I see no reference to the FF wanting to arm Blacks. Nor have I ever seen any indication that arming Slavers was the principle intent. After all there were still Indian tribes throughout the midwest which were not too keen on having swarms of white folks taking their lands and were prepared to fight.

[blackie]

The lunatic left and their toadies in the MSM are brain dead and need to be eradicated!

The Second Amendment...
America's Original Homeland Security!

Be Ever Vigilant!

[martin_fierro]

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in writings by "Professor Bogus."

[Steve_Seattle]

I've never heard this argument presented before, but I HAVE seen numerous comments from the Founding Fathers regarding the desirability of an armed citizenry. I suspect that the appropriately named Mr. Bogus's argument is bogus, an attempt to discredit gun ownership by associating it with slavery and racism.

[the gillman@blacklagoon.com]

"A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."


What is the subject of this sentence?

The right.

Verb?

Shall not be infringed.

What right?

The right of the PEOPLE, to keep and bear arms(military weapons)

All the rest of the sentence is superfluous.
Third grade english classes would get this right.

[cvq3842]

Also, he said that the "real, racist" reason for the Second Amendment was "hidden" because the framers didn't lay it on the table.

In otherwords, there's no evidence for it . . . because there's no evidence for it.

What a bunch of crapola. Really, some people are losing it.

[Carry_Okie]

What I am seeing here is consensus in the ambiguity of language. It could well be that Northern and Southern States adopted the Second Amendment, each for entirely different reasons.

That doesn't make Dr. Rice's understanding of its affect and application invalid; indeed, quite the contrary.

[groanup]

bump for later

[Bombardier]

You'll note that noone who wants to disarm the American people refers to Federalist 46. Read that, and there you will find the real reason for the Second Amendment. All these dripping infections (Curry, Bogus, Sarah Brady, Up-Chuck Schumer, Feinswine.....) are doing is blowing smoke at the iggerunt publick who have no clue what the Constitution even says!

As much as I find Sean Hannity to be annoying, and even though he intends his "Man in the Street" segments to be comedy, the sheer stupidity and ignorance they reveal on the part of most voters is what scares me more than anything else. Listen to these boobs sometime! THOSE are the morons who keep sending the RATs back to Congress and who elected Clinton! Fraudulent academics don't scare me.....they can be refuted. Ignorant fools DO scare me, because they're the ones who vote, and the candidates they vote for are the ones who will rob us of our liberties!

[rdb3]

Paleo-negroes strke again. They are a joke, a characature, and pure Stepin Fetchits.

The two most dangerous black women in the United States are Secretary of State Condi Rice and a possible Supreme Court Justice Janice Rogers Brown.

[Lazamataz]

[Attorney] Carl Bogus is his source.

Carl Bogus.

Well, at least he's obeying Truth-In-Advertising laws.