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BBC: EU struggles to save constitution
BBC ^ | Thursday, 2 June, 2005, 11:39 GMT 12:39 UK | staff

Posted on 06/02/2005 5:59:12 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

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1 posted on 06/02/2005 5:59:12 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"How stupid of France and The Netherlands to bring it to the people for approval"


2 posted on 06/02/2005 6:00:34 AM PDT by Semper Paratus
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
And so begins the death of the left's dream of resurrecting the Soviet Union.
3 posted on 06/02/2005 6:01:09 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"Mr Juncker seemed so distressed that he could hardly take in the fact of the second 'No' vote."

The picture of Juncker says it all . . .


5 posted on 06/02/2005 6:06:56 AM PDT by Cap Huff
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
I'm betting that the liberal Euro-elites find some way to force their "Constitution" down the throats of the people yet.

Certainly the people's will has never stopped liberals on either side of the Atlantic before when it interfered with their grabs for power.

6 posted on 06/02/2005 6:07:43 AM PDT by An Old Marine
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It would have given the French a good jolt of capitalism. Sadly it was not to be.....

If I understand the EU construction correctly, the economic portions of the union are already in place. Monetary, trade, etc. The EU constitution would have created the political institution for a European government, which would be largely socialist.

8 posted on 06/02/2005 6:16:08 AM PDT by The_Victor (Doh!... stupid tagline)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Why is nobody "satisfied that the people have spoken and their will can now be carried out".

These pols are like children who got their favorite toys taken away.


9 posted on 06/02/2005 6:17:44 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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It is a monster document, approx 500 pages. But the BBC has an intro:

Quick Guide: European Union constitution

10 posted on 06/02/2005 6:18:06 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (This tagline no longer operative....floated away in the flood of 2005 ,)
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To: An Old Marine
Well, you could be right. The problem for the Eurocrats is that the fellow in Brussels do not have to face the voters. The national governments, on the other hand do.

This means that in order to implemented it, the major parties in every major member state have to show a United Front against their voters, and keep it up year in and year out.

This time they failed to do that in either France or Holland.

It is a risky strategy, but what is even more risky is to build a "superstate" on quicksand.

Time will tell, but if they do get away with it at least they will have to do so in public.

11 posted on 06/02/2005 6:18:18 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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What do you call a 500+ page Constitution?

Answer: A blueprint for a prison.


13 posted on 06/02/2005 6:20:40 AM PDT by Tarpon
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Only a European could conceive of this document as "Right Wing," if by that you mean "Liberal" in the 19th century sense of the word. I think it is seen this way by the more socialist countries. Many in the UK, for example, see it as too "left wing."

Freeper tend to see it as enshrining in law socialism and the centrality of the State. The "liberalizations" seem token and trivial to right thinking Americans. Only the core leftist of the Democrat Party in the USA would vote for this monster.

14 posted on 06/02/2005 6:23:25 AM PDT by CasearianDaoist
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"In Europe the treaty is seen as a right wing document. "
That is media misinformation...

It would have codified an un-democratical, elitist, socialist welfare statist EU on all of Europe. An unelected Court would have had most of the power (sound familiar), and the document was so poorly written it was unclear who had what powers. Socialism was embedded in it: It had in its constitution a 'right' to employment outplacement services, 'rights' to health care, etc., for example. France's media whining about 'economic liberalism' is sleight-of-hand, the French didnt want to compete with low wage eastern europeans or see unlimited immigration ... same fears some have in the US, but that doesnt make the anti-immigration folks 'socialist'.

any connection between that EU Constitution monstrocity and concepts like democracy and freedom were purely incidental. It is a very good thing for freedom and for conservatives that this was rejected.


16 posted on 06/02/2005 6:24:52 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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To: An Old Marine
...to force their "Constitution" down the throats of the people yet.

You must have missed the

Dutch Prime Minister ...pledged to honour the voters' verdict,
which is not legally binding.

Funny, I don't recall seeing that before the vote. It was always "We'll keep voting till we get the desired result."

Reminded me of local school budgets. Or larger city budgets in general.

18 posted on 06/02/2005 6:26:03 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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Free trade does NOT require a 400 page Constitution that takes away a nation's sovereignty.


"It would have given the French a good jolt of capitalism."

Creating another layer of Government *never* helps capitalism. Cutting taxes, spending and regulation would.
... but Brussels was and is creating more regulation, not reducing it.


19 posted on 06/02/2005 6:26:58 AM PDT by WOSG (Liberating Iraq - http://freedomstruth.blogspot.com)
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