Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites
OH, a snappy way of indicating "funny parody of extant popular song"
Check out my post #412.
Marxism is not a religion. It's a political/economic philosophy. This is like saying I'm an evangelical Christian because I probably agree broadly with Jerry Falwell on economic matters.
Dishonesty compelled you to bring up the word atheist.
Really? Marx was and Dawkins is an atheist. And in saying 'his views are remarkably similar to Marx vis a vis religion', you weren't alluding to the fact they're both atheists?
Give me a break.
don't you mean Stalinist?
The Torah is a bit different from the later books in that they WERE all written after the fact. This is of course undisputed. Not so for others, for example the major prophets such as Ezekiel, Daniel and Isaiah.
I thought it was Hitler. Who said, "You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs?"
To a greater or lesser extent...
Yep.
perhaps... none of which indicates that the article from which this thread derives is in any significant way inaccurate in its description of "ID". Argumentum ad Hominem never goes out of style, but it never becomes less of a fallacy.
Stalin, IIRC... concerning his deliberate ravaging of the Ukraine (again: IIRC).
ah. sehr gut.
I think you're wrong. As I understand it, Marx considered religion to be the "opium of the people," a kind of self-medication to deal with the world's indifference toward us. Dawkins thinks that it is pre-scientific thinking that persists largely because children are naturally gullible which he perceives as an evolved behavior.
Of all the foreign corespondents who betrayed their craft with blatant distortions and fabrications, none is more loathsome than the opium-indulging Walter Duranty, The New York Times foreign correspondent in Moscow during Stalin's genocidal destruction of Ukraine's peasantry in 1932-1933. Duranty is the father of the "give them a break" journalistic approach to communism.
It was Duranty who knowingly denied the famine in dispatches to The New York Times with descriptive euphemisms such as "serious food shortage," "mismanagement of collective farming," a conspiracy of "wreckers" and "spoilers" who had "made a mass of Soviet food production" (i.e. poor Ukrainian peasants who resisted collectivization) and the like. "There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation," he wrote, "but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition." There was suffering, Duranty admitted but "to put it brutally - you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs..."
http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2003/100317.shtml
My dictionary of quotations says that it was used by Robespierre, but that it may already have been a proverb at that time.
http://politics.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,9174,770408,00.html
Richard Dawkins, an Oxford science don, suggested Mr Bush was just as much of a danger to world peace as Saddam Hussein, adding: "It would be a tragedy if Tony Blair were to be brought down through playing poodle to this unelected and deeply stupid little oil-spiv."
perhaps the phrase is an old and common one in middle europe?
I lean towards the duranty/stalin cite, but that might just be my Uke blood talking.
thanks. see 439. I begin to suspect it is of long-standing use
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