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Creationism: God's gift to the ignorant (Religion bashing alert)
Times Online UK ^ | May 21, 2005 | Richard Dawkins

Posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:22 AM PDT by billorites

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To: RightWingNilla
My views on how to make an omelet are Nazi.
421 posted on 05/25/2005 3:39:40 PM PDT by VadeRetro ( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: Junior

OH, a snappy way of indicating "funny parody of extant popular song"


422 posted on 05/25/2005 3:40:03 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: donh

Check out my post #412.


423 posted on 05/25/2005 3:40:21 PM PDT by AntiGuv (™)
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To: jwalsh07
Honesty would compel you to acknowledge that Dawkins' views on religion are Marxist.

Marxism is not a religion. It's a political/economic philosophy. This is like saying I'm an evangelical Christian because I probably agree broadly with Jerry Falwell on economic matters.

Dishonesty compelled you to bring up the word atheist.

Really? Marx was and Dawkins is an atheist. And in saying 'his views are remarkably similar to Marx vis a vis religion', you weren't alluding to the fact they're both atheists?

Give me a break.

424 posted on 05/25/2005 3:40:25 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: VadeRetro

don't you mean Stalinist?


425 posted on 05/25/2005 3:41:10 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Junior

The Torah is a bit different from the later books in that they WERE all written after the fact. This is of course undisputed. Not so for others, for example the major prophets such as Ezekiel, Daniel and Isaiah.


426 posted on 05/25/2005 3:42:12 PM PDT by agrace (All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen. - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: King Prout

I thought it was Hitler. Who said, "You can't make an omelet without breaking some eggs?"


427 posted on 05/25/2005 3:42:18 PM PDT by VadeRetro ( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: King Prout

To a greater or lesser extent...


428 posted on 05/25/2005 3:42:31 PM PDT by Junior (“Even if you are one-in-a-million, there are still 6,000 others just like you.”)
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To: Right Wing Professor

Yep.


429 posted on 05/25/2005 3:42:48 PM PDT by agrace (All I have seen teaches me to trust the Creator for all I have not seen. - Ralph Waldo Emerson)
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To: jwalsh07
Dawkins' views on religion are marxist. His economic views are leftist. His views on the jihadists are a freaking disgrace.

perhaps... none of which indicates that the article from which this thread derives is in any significant way inaccurate in its description of "ID". Argumentum ad Hominem never goes out of style, but it never becomes less of a fallacy.

430 posted on 05/25/2005 3:45:15 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: VadeRetro

Stalin, IIRC... concerning his deliberate ravaging of the Ukraine (again: IIRC).


431 posted on 05/25/2005 3:46:47 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Junior

ah. sehr gut.


432 posted on 05/25/2005 3:47:09 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: jwalsh07
Dawkins views on religion are marxist.

I think you're wrong. As I understand it, Marx considered religion to be the "opium of the people," a kind of self-medication to deal with the world's indifference toward us. Dawkins thinks that it is pre-scientific thinking that persists largely because children are naturally gullible which he perceives as an evolved behavior.

433 posted on 05/25/2005 3:50:25 PM PDT by edsheppa
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To: VadeRetro
both of us were mistaken:

Of all the foreign corespondents who betrayed their craft with blatant distortions and fabrications, none is more loathsome than the opium-indulging Walter Duranty, The New York Times foreign correspondent in Moscow during Stalin's genocidal destruction of Ukraine's peasantry in 1932-1933. Duranty is the father of the "give them a break" journalistic approach to communism.

It was Duranty who knowingly denied the famine in dispatches to The New York Times with descriptive euphemisms such as "serious food shortage," "mismanagement of collective farming," a conspiracy of "wreckers" and "spoilers" who had "made a mass of Soviet food production" (i.e. poor Ukrainian peasants who resisted collectivization) and the like. "There is no actual starvation or deaths from starvation," he wrote, "but there is widespread mortality from diseases due to malnutrition." There was suffering, Duranty admitted but "to put it brutally - you can't make an omelet without breaking eggs..."

http://www.ukrweekly.com/Archive/2003/100317.shtml

434 posted on 05/25/2005 3:51:46 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout
Could be. Google is a mess on the subject. Hitler, omelet, eggs gets more hits. Stalin, omelet, eggs gets more specific attributions. I'm also seeing Lenin, Lincoln Stephens (on the October Revolution), and Walter Duranty (notorious NYT Red apologist) on Stalin's crushing of the Ukraine with famine.
435 posted on 05/25/2005 3:52:17 PM PDT by VadeRetro ( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: King Prout
You beat me. That Duranty quote looks pretty convincing, unless he lifted it.
436 posted on 05/25/2005 3:53:42 PM PDT by VadeRetro ( Liberalism is a cancer on society. Creationism is a cancer on conservatism.)
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To: VadeRetro; King Prout

My dictionary of quotations says that it was used by Robespierre, but that it may already have been a proverb at that time.


437 posted on 05/25/2005 3:54:37 PM PDT by Right Wing Professor
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To: jwalsh07
Marxist or not, I'm glad I have no association with Dawkins.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,9174,770408,00.html

Richard Dawkins, an Oxford science don, suggested Mr Bush was just as much of a danger to world peace as Saddam Hussein, adding: "It would be a tragedy if Tony Blair were to be brought down through playing poodle to this unelected and deeply stupid little oil-spiv."

438 posted on 05/25/2005 3:55:23 PM PDT by AndrewC (Darwinian logic -- It is just-so if it is just-so)
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To: VadeRetro

perhaps the phrase is an old and common one in middle europe?

I lean towards the duranty/stalin cite, but that might just be my Uke blood talking.


439 posted on 05/25/2005 3:55:52 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: Right Wing Professor

thanks. see 439. I begin to suspect it is of long-standing use


440 posted on 05/25/2005 3:57:04 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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