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CAFTA is the answer to China's growing power
The Seattle Times ^ | May 24, 2005 | Froma Harrop

Posted on 05/24/2005 7:08:18 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

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To: texastoo
You gave an excellent example of Reagan and Harley Davidson.

Reagan literally saved that American company from extinction and I'm glad he did.

341 posted on 05/24/2005 7:36:00 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
I don't agree that NAFTA's been a disaster, but we've certainly withdrawn from agreements before. The ABM treaty which was enacted, the Kyoto Accords which we signed, etc.

The stupid thing is why anyone would consider withdrawing from an agreement that removes tariffs from our exports.

342 posted on 05/24/2005 7:38:23 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
Say what you want but they had good reasons for supporting protectionism and their policies worked.

Dang, they brought in that the Founding Fathers where some of them owned slaves. Hoo-boy, are we really cooked, maybe if we cried "uncle!" they will let us off easy. /sarcasm>

If that's the best our opponents can do, if it was a real war, we could take them on and win with the "Mark IA Zell Miller Spitball Launcher" mounted on old Chevy Vegas B-P
343 posted on 05/24/2005 7:41:21 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Dog Gone
The world hasn't changed in the least since then.

No it hasn't much at all...
the circumference at the equator is still 24902 miles...
And there are still only seven continents and four oceans...
They only SAY the world is getting smaller...
the FACTS say it has changed much at all!

So why is it necessary for CAFTA to enact thousands of pages of fine print to regulate what is supposed to be FREE trade???

344 posted on 05/24/2005 7:44:20 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!!)
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To: Dog Gone
The stupid thing is why anyone would consider withdrawing from an agreement that removes tariffs from our exports

You're the one who pointed out we could withdraw if need be, I was simply stating it would never happen once enacted despite the ABM Treaty. The reason for that is it's about money and corporations contribute lots of it to campaigns. I never underestimate their lobbying or influencing abilities to keep the laws they like going.

345 posted on 05/24/2005 7:49:52 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Willie Green
Because CAFTA eliminates tariffs on our exports and it allows companies to enter those countries for the first time to compete in an open environment.

It's not thousands of pages, by the way. It's maybe 100. I've read it.

It will integrate countries into a permanent dialogue and financial transaction with the US that will have lasting benefits.

I'm sure you remember what happened in Nicaragua during about 25 years ago. We never want a repeat of that. At a time when Hugo Chavez is spreading his Castroism in our hemisphere, it is time to lock in some new buddies.

This is not even a hard question.

346 posted on 05/24/2005 7:51:27 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Nowhere Man
Dang, they brought in that the Founding Fathers where some of them owned slaves.

It's just a matter of time before they're taken off our money, they obviously have no place in our conscience. Maybe General Kofi Annan or Vincent Fox on our one dollar bill would be more to their liking.

347 posted on 05/24/2005 7:53:47 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

The fact is that the agreement removes the tariffs they impose. If anyone here wants to argue that a 30% tariff on US automobiles is a good thing, have at it.


348 posted on 05/24/2005 7:55:43 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Nowhere Man
Dang, they brought in that the Founding Fathers where some of them owned slaves.

I wasn't the one to "bring in" the Founding Fathers, and I am aware of no rhetorical rule that prevents me from speaking to a subject introduced by my opponent. Sorry.

349 posted on 05/24/2005 7:56:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Reaganwuzthebest
It's just a matter of time before they're taken off our money, they obviously have no place in our conscience. Maybe General Kofi Annan or Vincent Fox on our one dollar bill would be more to their liking.

Or Ayn Rand. B-P Well, she would be on the $100 bill probably.
350 posted on 05/24/2005 7:56:22 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - DeCAFTA-nate CAFTA!)
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

I remember when he did it.


351 posted on 05/24/2005 7:59:11 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Dog Gone

It is true. There are tariffs and quotas.

What 80% of tariffs are you talking about?


352 posted on 05/24/2005 8:04:17 PM PDT by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: texastoo

Same here, and Japan behaved themselves after that.


353 posted on 05/24/2005 8:04:40 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: music is math
Read this

Read this one too

354 posted on 05/24/2005 8:33:36 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

Thesis: Protectionism does not save jobs.

1) People will be employed so long as there is capital available to profitably employ them. It therefore follows that sufficient employment will exist if sufficient capital exists.

2) Acquiring more capital per employee requires savings with which to acquire the capital in the first place (this process is called 'investment'). It therefore follows that anything which reduces savings->investment will reduce the amount of capital with which to profitably employ people.

So in conclusion:

1) More capital == more jobs (and therefore less capital == less jobs)

2) less savings and investment == less jobs

therefore:

1)+2) less savings and investment == less capital == less jobs.

It therefore follows from 1)+2) that anything that reduces savings/investment will reduce the amount of jobs.

And what's one good way to reduce savings? Tariffs, of course - tariffs push up input costs.

I thus conclude that tariffs are bad for job creation.

(anything that reduces savings/investment are bad for job creation, tariffs are just one aspect; capital gains taxes are an even better example).


355 posted on 05/24/2005 8:33:43 PM PDT by music is math
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To: 1rudeboy
Read this

Read this one too

356 posted on 05/24/2005 8:34:35 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Toddsterpatriot

And since 1994, how many American jobs have been lost and "outsourced" overseas?

NAFTA needs rescinded along with GATT, and every other trade agreement we have.

While we're at it, let's get out of the UN, WHO, WTO, the World Bank, and purge all members of the CFR and TLC from governmental positions. We need to get out of all this globalist nonsense, and like yesterday. before its too damn late.

Yeah, I'm a Bircher. Deal with it.

Oh, I've used insidious for a long time now, wise guy. Take your condescending attitude and do what Teresa Heinz-Kerry told that reporter to do.


357 posted on 05/24/2005 8:36:14 PM PDT by Chef Dajuan (Its a pork fat thing!)
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To: music is math
Protectionism as a policy is something that I believe we should use sparingly, when we are clearly being taken advantage of as China is doing today.

That's my main disagreement with these Hemispheric deals, they are basically signing off on the idea that the third world countries within it can flood our markets and we'll do nothing but take it, even at the expense of our livelihoods and standard of living. I don't see that as Free Trade but corporate welfare for those who want higher profits.

358 posted on 05/24/2005 8:45:39 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Toddsterpatriot

US trade and development program.
San Bartolomé Silver Mine - USTDA is funding a $760,000 grant for a feasibility study conducted by the Coeur D'Alene Mines Corporation of Coeur D'Alene, Idaho, for the San Bartolomé silver mine project in Potosí, Bolivia.

Does this look like the government is subsidizing the Coeur D'Alene Mines Corporation to move some operations offshore? It sure looks like it to me. What do you call it when the government pays for feasibility studies to move a company offshore? Why doesn't the company pay for the study itself(it would if there was a free market). Why does the government pay for it(to control the free market and to use the subsequent transfer of wealth to the foreign country as political capital).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1407671/posts?page=73#73


359 posted on 05/24/2005 9:07:58 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Toddsterpatriot
U.S. Trade and Development Agency Awards Grant to Guatemala Grant will support CAFTA-related trade capacity-building efforts

The U.S. Trade and Development Agency (USTDA) has awarded a $403,855 grant to Guatemala's Association of Exporters of Non-Traditional Products "in direct support of the trade capacity-building objectives of the U.S.-Central American Free Trade Agreement," according to a press release issued July 28 by the USTDA.

The USTDA explained that the grant "will be used to fund technical assistance" toward the development of a training and digital certificates program "for the dissemination of key information needed to enhance Guatemala's trade relationship with the United States."

The training and digital certificates program supported by today's grant is one of Guatemala's highest TCB initiatives and is an integral part of the country's national development strategy. The program responds to Guatemala's needs to be able to compete effectively under the CAFTA

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Not only are US workers losing their jobs because the all powerful free traders have decided that Guatemalans are more deserving, they are using US tax dollars to train the Guatemalans so they can COMPETE.
360 posted on 05/24/2005 9:11:47 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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