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Text of Filibuster Deal
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| Monday, May 23, 2005
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Posted on 05/23/2005 5:23:07 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: BobL
but it keeps coming back to the fact that the Dems can still filibuster at will, and we cannot stop them, for the next 20 months (if not longer).It's not that bleak. They agree not to filibuster except in "extraordinary" circumstances. We agree not to change the rules.
But if they filibuster in circumstances that we do not agree are "extraordinary" then they've broken the deal, and the "constitutional" option becomes viable again. Nothing's changed that makes it un-doable, except that the GOP has agreed not to do it. In exchange for which, the Democrats have agreed to certain behaviors. If they don't, the option goes back on the table...
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:14:24 PM PDT
by
Lyford
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To: kristinn
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Such a return to the early practices of our government may well serve to reduce the rancor that unfortunately accompanies the advice and consent process in the Senate."
We yawn....
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:17:21 PM PDT
by
azhenfud
("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
To: Still Thinking; kristinn
The problem I see is that "extraordinary circumstances" are left to the lefties discretion
Yep...I see more drunken tirades:
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:17:23 PM PDT
by
ErnBatavia
(I don't drink and FReep...it just looks that way)
To: howlingmule
"this is the hit list"
ehhh. Let's use the term "political hit list". Your line is over the top, even for me tonight.
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:17:44 PM PDT
by
BobL
To: Lyford
the dems WILL filibuster a supreme court nominee because they can. and the reps will sit on there hands.
To: Lyford
My entire point is that Frist waited too long, dawdling over this. Of course he doesn't mind-control the Republicans; but what a LEADER does is work with them, giving them a little of this, something of that, to get their vote, convincing them. THAT is a leader's job--convincing. It's the essence of leadership, as opposed to being "in charge", and Frist completely failed. As recently as Thursday Gordon Smith came aboard the nuclear option. Frist should have been working day and night to convince his people to go nuclear. Instead he was out having dinners with Harry Reid.
This is a failure of Frist's leadership, period. His weakness gave McCain and crew a shot at a "third way."
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:19:02 PM PDT
by
Darkwolf
(aka Darkwolf377 lurker since'01, member since 4/'04--stop clogging me with pings!)
To: goldstategop
I disagree Denny.
Every candidate deserves an "up or down" vote. Get rid of filibusters because they are pointless.
To: BobL
i didnt mean it like that.
To: howlingmule
What about DeWine?
There were seven scumbags in that cabal. They all need to be bounced on their asses when they come up for re-election.
The two brainless whores from Maine really turn my stomach. They never miss a chance to sabotage our efforts.
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:20:00 PM PDT
by
Yankee
To: Kath
I am not hysterical, you are. Naw, this is just Super Secret, Super Genius plan number 12,346.
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:20:34 PM PDT
by
itsahoot
(If Judge Greer can run America then I guess just about anyone with a spine could do the same.)
To: Lyford
"Sure. And after he's said it and they've ignored him, what's the next step?"
His next step is the stick part of carrot-and-stick. This is basic stuff here.
What, exactly, do people here think the leader of the Republicans SHOULD be doing if not...leading?
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:20:59 PM PDT
by
Darkwolf
(aka Darkwolf377 lurker since'01, member since 4/'04--stop clogging me with pings!)
To: Lyford
"But if they filibuster in circumstances that we do not agree are "extraordinary" then they've broken the deal, and the "constitutional" option becomes viable again. Nothing's changed that makes it un-doable, except that the GOP has agreed not to do it. In exchange for which, the Democrats have agreed to certain behaviors. If they don't, the option goes back on the table...Bingo. Both sides have an out and it puts the RINOS in a tough position. Being an optimist this would put the ball back in the RINOS court where they would then have the duty to break the deal if any nominee with top ABA ratings and strong homestate approval got nominated. One thing is for sure - all nominees will come from states that do not have a RINO due to the hold possibility by a home state senator.
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:21:11 PM PDT
by
torchthemummy
("Sober Idealism Equals Pragmatism")
To: mowkeka
When you think about it, Bush can nominate ANY of the judges that have been passed so far, to the Supreme Court. Democrats can't say they are "extrodinary" cirumstances because they were already passed.
When I think about it, I see a JRB filibuster being played by the donks if she is nominated to SCOTUS. Why? Well, SCOTUS makes different rulings as to what the law means, than does appeals. Because an originalist is not going to make law from the bench, and JRB is an originalist, the donks will say that putting her in the position to sit on the SCOTUS is extream, and the filibuster is justified. The RINOS, if bound by their pledge, are powerless to vote for the constitutionl option until the 106th. Nothing good will come of this. Nothing.
To: Lyford
But if they filibuster in circumstances that we do not agree are "extraordinary" then they've broken the deal, and the "constitutional" option becomes viable again. Nothing's changed that makes it un-doable, except that the GOP has agreed not to do it. In exchange for which, the Democrats have agreed to certain behaviors. If they don't, the option goes back on the table...
With all due respect, re-read the text of the agreement. Each Senator is allowed to make his own determination when it comes to the definition of "extreme". There's nothing in the agreement that allows the GOP Senators to back out of the deal if they don't agree that the situation is "extreme" ...
To: Lyford
"But if they filibuster in circumstances that we do not agree are "extraordinary" then they've broken the deal, and the "constitutional" option becomes viable again."
No they closed off that escape - by saying that each Senator can define "extreme" as he or she wishes. So if Patricia Owens is nominated to the Supreme Court, the Dems will, of course, call her extreme (for that level of the judiciary), and we will not. But what we think has no bearing, as we have no clause in the agreement that gives us the right to nuke the filibuster if we disagree with the Dem definition of extreme - in other words, if 51 Dems consider her extreme, then she is still extreme.
They've still got us. They had good lawyers for this deal.
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:22:33 PM PDT
by
BobL
To: ricks_place
I sure hope so. I am still very angry with McCain and Graham. Their freelancing weakened the Majority leadership and that could become a problem. My emotional response is one of anger and complete disbelief.
But I am really, really trying to use my head too. If we are fighting this same fight later in this administration, especially around 2006...I'm going to be pretty upset. If we have taken care of it and let the Dems save face...then I'm ok.
So ask me again when we go to appoint a Supreme who will not be replacing an already conservative one like Rehnquist. That is where the proof will be. And that is why I had hoped this would be over sooner rather than later.
To: Still Thinking
Each "Congress" is the two year term of reps, so the 110th will begin when they're seated following the November 2006 elections.Remember the RINOs in 2006
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:24:02 PM PDT
by
Milhous
To: romans828
If Chaffee switches parties, who would notice?
To: howlingmule
"i didnt mean it like that."
I know that. Unlike the DU, we prefer democracy on this site.
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posted on
05/23/2005 7:24:10 PM PDT
by
BobL
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