Posted on 05/23/2005 4:18:39 PM PDT by jern
Your finger say "no", but your heart says "yes".
Can't prove that assertion at all. MSM pondered he had the votes, but Frist was never assured of the votes. Lisa Murkowski and Arlen were wavering.
Snowe, Chaffee and Collins were with McCain and Lindsay all along. Not sure about DeWine, since I go out of my way to ignore the runt.
Me neither. He's sort of joked about some of 'em, but they were running for the democrat presidential nomination.
I did not implicate you at all. Had I wished to take issue with you, I would have pinged you and not addressed my comment solely to Fledermaus.
Bush was too eager to fight for his pet welfare projects but not to advance his judges. Why?
Grad school riding in the short bus....maybe.
Unless of course Bush doesn't care about his own nominees. Why not? His nominations are nothing but bones thrown in the face of conservatives so he can save his face. He won't fight for them, nor spend political capital on them. Why not? Maybe he doesn't care. He cares more about his pet welfare projects and works the phones overnight to get his prescription drug plan through by arm twisting conservatives. Why doesn't he do it in this case? Because, MAYBE, he doesn't really care about advancing conservative judges. He will nominate them and if they are confirmed, fine. But, he won't spend any capital on them. That is reserved for No Child Left Behind, prescription drugs, and other welfare programs like his dad gave us ADA. But, thanks to the ADA you got your degree.
What would you have Bush do, huh?
Take a nuclear stand, so McCain could bitch slap him and have MSM applaud?
Good grief -- is a dead duck better than a lame one?
I'm sorry I forgot to list the source...
Sens. avert showdown on Bush's judicial nominees
Associated Press
WASHINGTON — Averting a showdown, centrists from both parties reached agreement Monday night on a compromise that clears the way for confirmation votes on many of President George W. Bush's stalled judicial nominees, leaves others in limbo and preserves venerable Senate filibuster rules.
"In a Senate that is increasingly polarized, the bipartisan centre held," said Senator Joseph Lieberman (D-Conn.).
"The Senate is back in business," echoed Senator Lindsey Graham, (R-S.C.), one of 14 senators who signed the two-page memorandum of agreement, which cited "mutual trust and confidence."
Under the terms, Democrats would agree to oppose any attempt to filibuster -- and thus block final votes -- on the confirmation of Priscilla Owen, Janice Rogers Brown and William Pryor. There is "no commitment to vote for or against" the filibuster against two other conservative nominees, Henry Saad and William Myers.
As for future nominees, the agreement said they should "only be filibustered under extraordinary circumstances,'' with each Democrat senator holding the discretion to decide when those conditions had been met.
"In light of the spirit and continuing commitments made in this agreement,'' Republicans said they would oppose any attempt to make changes in the application of filibuster rules.
Democratic Leader Harry Reid of Nevada welcomed the agreement -- although he hastened to say he remains opposed to some of the nominees who will now likely take seats on the appeals court.
"We have sent President George Bush, Vice-President Dick Cheney and the radical right of the Republican party an undeniable message ... the abuse of power will not be tolerated."
No problem. I knew your posting was authentic. I provide the link when possible, but I was too lazy to search...lol.
I am sorry, remind me again who the President is. Answer the question: Why is Bush willing to spend the night arm twisting conservatives to vote for his pet welfare projects, but wouldn't call RINOs to confirm his judges?
Well, Mcain and Warner just seeled their collective fates. No Presidential nomination for them.
Do you think it will dawn on them that the liberals screwed them over now, or when the filibuster resumes? Or in a few years when the dems are back in the majority and just change the rules outright, without provocation.
Social Security is not his "pet project", that honor goes to FDR. It's been known since the days of Ronald Reagan that Social Security was going to be needing fixing. You can either do away with Social Security and risk being a minority party for 40 or 50 years, or you can strengthen and modernize Social Security because the Social Security as we know it cannot function in the modern society, with as many recipients of the program as there are, in a country that has swelled in population since Social Security became a reality during the Great Depression. You can pitch fits and moan about President Bush now, but in the future, history will show that you were nothing more than a bitter, petty, whiner.
After NCLB, prescription drugs, etc. I am not sure I can trust Bush with social security reform. For all I know, he will turn it into a bigger welfare scheme. We all know the Dems will not vote on a provision that will absolve the govt from individuals making stupid decisions about themselves. The only solution in that case is to trash the program altogether, and we all know Bush doesn't have the guts to propose that.
Anyway, by his pet welfare scheme, I meant the prescription drug proposal which we all know he lobbied conservatives personally to vote for.
It is quite wise to not trust Bush with SS reform.
"Dems will retain filibuster in the future for "extraordinary circumstances".....
Meaning if the nominee is Pro-life, anti pervogay marraige, and loves his/her country, this person will be filibustered. You can bet the pubbies will have NO BALLS to use the nuke option then either.
Football is one and I don't know a lot about rugby, today's "music", guns, or electtical wiring. :-)
Because Bush KNEW McCain was on a mission to pay him back for the South Carolina primary in 2000. Only McCain could have pulled this off, because John is viewed my many as a "statesman" -- a man above party politics. Ole Maverick and his straight talk express.
Look who went with McCain: Snowe and Collins from Maine; Chaffee from RI; --- all three are barely GOP, and Snowe and Chaffee are up for reelection in '06. They're as GOP as their respective states will permit and elect.
DeWine is a runt and a wimp, but he's up for reelection in '06, so what does that tell you about his internal polling back home in Ohio?
Warner is another loose canon, but his seat is his until '08 and the public's memory is said to be short.
Graham was McCain's senate chairman for his run at the nomination and Lindsay remained angry with Bush for the South Carolina primary in 2000.
Personally, I think Lindsay Graham is looking to be governor of his stae, so his participation might even help him achieve his aim with democrats in his state. He can likely kiss the conservative vote good-by, but until his demicrat opponent is known, even their votes can't be thoroughly dismissed.
Whatever. Many of these same Conservatives you speak of haven't lifted a finger for a President who has gone out of his way to ensure they were re-elected.
An effective leader knows what going on and takes care of things. Frist has supposedly been working on this stuff for months on end.GE DIDN'T RALLY THE TROOPS.
Case closed.
Go back to first grade, 55-4 = 51. We should have been able to keep DeWine,Warner,and Graham on the reservation.
I have come to the conclusion that NOTHING at all can help you.
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