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More arrested in cult case
Baton Rouge Advocate ^ | 05/21/05 | Steven Ward

Posted on 05/21/2005 11:39:05 AM PDT by Graybeard58

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To: TheCrusader

Presbyterian Church USA (and they are not the only ones)

http://www.pcusa.org/101/101-abortion.htm


21 posted on 05/22/2005 1:16:48 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: wideminded

Bill Clinton was researching racial bigotry as a cause behind church fires. There was no racial motivation in the 1990s. Some may have been antiChristian bigotry. Others were insurance claims.

The FBI determined that there was no systematic harassment.


22 posted on 05/22/2005 1:18:46 AM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: weegee
No racial motivation? you are not from the south are you? around here Motivation is not needed.

as for this case, I think the "satanic ritual" is a cop-out for being sick ass bastages. Thinking "the devil made me do it" plea will keep them from the death penalty. Frankly if the men end up in Angola, which is where they will go, they will wish they had gotten the death penalty. If they survive the first few days.
23 posted on 05/26/2005 9:25:44 AM PDT by horsebraker
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To: RandallFlagg
I'd gladly spend the next 20 years of my life in a lonely prison cell picking out of my teeth the pieces of bone and flesh of the person I killed with my bare hands claws after learning the person wrongly touched my Sons.

I don't think any jury would convict you.

24 posted on 05/26/2005 9:27:36 AM PDT by darkangel82
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To: Graybeard58
If only satanist ministers were allowed to marry... Oh wait.
25 posted on 05/26/2005 9:33:19 AM PDT by conservonator (Lord, bless Your servant Benedict XVI)
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Firestorm -- A Review of the 1996 Church Fire Scare

"During the summer of 1996, Americans were deluged with thousands of newspaper, magazine and television reports that racists were torching black churches* throughout the South. This article traces the origins and events of what appears to have been a remarkably effective campaign of disinformation."

26 posted on 05/26/2005 8:30:15 PM PDT by weegee ("Do you want them to write a piece about how great the military is?" Elizabeth Bumiller - NY Times)
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To: wideminded
>>How do you know that these groups are real and that they burned churches? <<

I apologize for my late reply but I have been away for the past week. I have to be discrete here, but my information comes directly to me from a Federal investigator whose duties included these investigations. As far as knowing that these groups are real, one would have to be very naive to think they are not since most of us have had direct encounters with members.

Muleteam1

27 posted on 05/29/2005 5:49:45 PM PDT by Muleteam1
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my information comes directly to me from a Federal investigator whose duties included these investigations.

In searching online I did find that a self-identified "Luciferian" named Jay Scott Ballinger, and some associates, were arrested and sentenced in connection with church burnings. I did not find any mention of other convictions of satanists or satanic groups for church burnings in the US.

As far as knowing that these groups are real, one would have to be very naive to think they are not since most of us have had direct encounters with members.

I have never had any contact with anyone I knew to be a Satanist. If you have, how did you know that is what they were?

28 posted on 05/30/2005 12:49:53 PM PDT by wideminded
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>>I did not find any mention of other convictions of satanists or satanic groups for church burnings in the US.<<

The fact that these investigations are still ongoing may have produced some effect in your internet search. However, it is more likely that a Federal conviction, or even an indictment, would not mention that the arsonist was a Satanist. To the logical minded, it might lend some credence to a motive for burning a Christian church but as an investigator I would be inclined to pursue a safer line of prosecution. Religious belief is the sort of information journalists dig up and report. They may not have been privy to these facts or they simply felt it did not warrant reporting.

>>I have never had any contact with anyone I knew to be a Satanist. If you have, how did you know that is what they were?<<

Possibly my life has not been as sheltered as your own, but I have personally met several admitted Satanists in my life. Some were quite serious about their foolishness and some were obviously just being rebellious. In truth, Christians have as much to fear of chastisement in modern-day American society as Satanists. Meeting either in public is not an odd event. The lack of having met admitted Satanists in one's life should not overshadow the fact that, if Christians, Muslims, Budhists, and other religions are real in America, logic dictates that Satanists also exists.

I once had a friend who didn't bother to look to his right as he entered an intersection. The fact that he did not see the car fast approaching from his right did nothing to eliminate its existence nor did it soften the fatal blow.

Muleteam1

29 posted on 05/30/2005 2:24:25 PM PDT by Muleteam1
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