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Mars Master Plan: NASA Outlines New Approach
Space.com ^ | 5/20/05 | Leaonard Davis

Posted on 05/20/2005 8:41:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge
Mars Master Plan: NASA Outlines Yet More Ways to Squander Billions of Taxpayers' Hard Earned Dollars.
 
21 posted on 05/20/2005 4:15:45 PM PDT by oh8eleven
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To: flashbunny; hopespringseternal; King Prout
"Their master plan should be to terraform mars!"

I'm with you on that, but my program is slightly more ambitious. I could save them more money than they will have in their next 100 budgets.

And I could make them more money than they could ever hope to spend!

The guys at NASA should do more reading at Free Republic.

22 posted on 05/20/2005 6:54:12 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("What's with Modern Music? If I want screaming and shrieking, I can go home to my family." - George)
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To: NicknamedBob

pimpin' tha Keep, yo?


23 posted on 05/20/2005 6:58:34 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout

Well, my plan is modestly ambitious, anyway. What else could you call using electrical energy to not only go into space, but to go all the way to Mars?


24 posted on 05/20/2005 7:07:04 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("What's with Modern Music? If I want screaming and shrieking, I can go home to my family." - George)
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To: NicknamedBob
What else could you call using electrical energy to not only go into space, but to go all the way to Mars?

"practical application of plasma theory"

25 posted on 05/20/2005 7:08:47 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout

How about "Bullet train to Mars"?


26 posted on 05/20/2005 7:13:41 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("What's with Modern Music? If I want screaming and shrieking, I can go home to my family." - George)
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To: King Prout; All

Ditto... I don't want to pay for a program for a bunch of Saganites who they think that humans don't belong in space. If they want space for themselves they should pay for it..


27 posted on 05/20/2005 7:26:20 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: NicknamedBob

can't be a "train"
trains run on fixed rails between static teminals.

:)


28 posted on 05/20/2005 7:36:53 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: KevinDavis; oh8eleven; RightWhale; NormsRevenge
Here's a condensed version of my modest proposal, from more than a year ago.

Throwing Snowballs at Mars


29 posted on 05/20/2005 7:49:37 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("What's with Modern Music? If I want screaming and shrieking, I can go home to my family." - George)
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To: KevinDavis

yep. if it's worth doing at all, it's worth doing for profit.


30 posted on 05/20/2005 7:50:47 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: NicknamedBob

I can hear it now...

the shrieks, like damned souls in the fires of hell...

when the eco-nazis realise you intend to turn the Valles Marinaris...

into a dam reservoir.


31 posted on 05/20/2005 7:52:54 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout; All

Exactly...


32 posted on 05/20/2005 7:52:56 PM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: King Prout

Emphasis more on the bullet than on the train.

A bullet is accelerated, and confined within a barrel for a short time, and then it proceeds ballistically.

My "package delivery" to Mars would have a perhaps relatively lengthy period of acceleration, proceeding up a gradual slope at an incredible pace.

Eventually, it would also proceed ballistically, hopefully all the way to Mars. We need some powerful mathematical analysis, and we have to scale way, way up from our usual ways of thinking.


33 posted on 05/20/2005 7:55:31 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("What's with Modern Music? If I want screaming and shrieking, I can go home to my family." - George)
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To: King Prout; KevinDavis

Would either of you gentlemen like to collect the receipts from the ski slopes on Olympus Mons?


34 posted on 05/20/2005 7:59:24 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("What's with Modern Music? If I want screaming and shrieking, I can go home to my family." - George)
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To: NormsRevenge

We need to remember that science is exploration . and exploration incorporates science."

Seems they forget about PROFIT, the engine that has driven
exploration since man first looked over the hill for a better cave/woman/spear/pelt/dog or whatever could be traded
to get them.


35 posted on 05/20/2005 8:03:16 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: tet68

It would seem also the the lesson of the two MERs is lost
on them as far as the MEL mission goes.
One, you have a back up unit.
Two, if both succeed, you get perhaps FOUR times the return
or better.

Baah, Bill Gates should get off his ass and do it just for
a lark, not to mention the patents.


36 posted on 05/20/2005 8:08:50 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: NicknamedBob

well, so long as any form of reaction drive is used, there will have to be ballistic segments of flight path.

what are you cooking up?


37 posted on 05/20/2005 8:13:16 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: NicknamedBob

um. wow. that's a thought.


38 posted on 05/20/2005 8:14:27 PM PDT by King Prout (blast and char it among fetid buzzard guts!)
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To: King Prout
"...what are you cooking up?"

The plan starts small, as described in the above link. At first, we would content ourselves to deliver water on a contractual basis to the Australian Outback. Presumably, they will know what to do with it.

Then with a little more push, we gain a sub-orbital flight path, and we can provide irrigation to any place on Earth. The loads would be launched as large cylinders of ice, and upon re-entry could be fractured by an internal explosion into fragments small enough to melt completely during their fall through the atmosphere, (friction you know!)

The final stage, launch into interplanetary orbit, may involve some special rigging. A control cabin could be buried deep inside the ice, with a small nuclear engine to either provide steam for steering thrusters, or energy for the crew. This would constitute an interplanetary spacecraft, and so far, would have used no rocket fuel!

The manned section could detach from the rest, which could be allowed to impact on Mars either gently or as a means of waking up the planet's volatiles. The detached manned section could then land like a space shuttle, or prepare for a return trip to Earth, using the steam rocket.

39 posted on 05/20/2005 8:35:55 PM PDT by NicknamedBob ("What's with Modern Music? If I want screaming and shrieking, I can go home to my family." - George)
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To: NicknamedBob

Technical solutions, but what is the problem? The problem lies in the legal domain or has at least one foot in there, not the engineering domain--consider that. One clue is that we already have the technology to do all this, but it is not happening. Why not? Why is nothing being done by private industry--forget about gov't doing any of this.


40 posted on 05/21/2005 8:45:06 AM PDT by RightWhale (These problems would not exist if we had had a moon base all along)
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