Posted on 05/17/2005 7:32:25 PM PDT by varina davis
Piecing together news reports, location of the crime scene is near the star on the map, near Wolf Lodge at the NE end of Lake Coeur d'Alene. I've been down I-95 in that area a million times. Such pretty country. The freeway leads east to Wallace, ID and over a mountain pass into Montana. The suspect could be anywhere by now. (Some monster link, huh? But it works!)
The brother in jail has a shaved head and looks like a neonazi. I understand there's a sort of nest of those creeps a bit north of I-95 on the Montana side. Could it be the kids are there? If they're dead, perish the thought, their bodies will never be found. What a terrible situation.
Please ping me if you learn anything. Thanks.
http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?ovi=1&zoom=5&mapdata=OE4WNszgW9zJQjrwa7Sd6PY7F8r9RXh0svw%2bnmD1UTD0BBWIqNXvjS6zyXt0jiXHfROBymk5V0Rn5yDOwaYnE5ee8grU%2fVJZaam47X5wWBlTBdYtKlKMBlQv66BuXzoAu6dztLBR%2fdiCCB3hSbqG9AtTdiO44eCktMhojBmKm7Td2O%2fduG2i0rHg547V6IR7m%2b1d4yd65XhL2VZBkzcxjnB6guRU%2fsFi387acB8CQy6f2WmaePWQLoeNeJwuiJAbtTBxxvh%2bXZ6gL%2b%2b9SrIjvirs5JtdRfbBe%2fVTbVE8F3v5IUxL0TgXLjk%2fqBN11YUC3PDqQoVmV%2byBK0yjFOW7WBnuxZER4oe6qKTI6EECivkP3vyQxorRTdSgfrzg4naT3lPtxKMuQSioqK1gYmzSn3zwWhDPARLKKXJp9n53qR6IdU8%2fKAMMGe5Mo%2b9u4JcqrzPHIvKde2IXZe3Ifq8%2f9aQEx0qeFtyL9FplzunIeXKgeYum76RUH1QkEiFsBFxj%2b4QlKZjp%2fWMbIuhiheRiESZnfx5rGev2UJiuxY4MCUE%3d
That's about all I heard.
please remember that MF has been wrong on so many cases that he speculates about its almost wise to believe the exact opposite of what he says......
he is greatly disliked by the local Sheriff Dept and the city police because he has engaged in a long Crusade against them ever since he moved to northern Idaho....
he is living on his fame from the Simpson trial....otherwise, no one would have ever heard of him....
the sheriff this am said that they haven't ruled anyone out yet, including the elder brother ..."Vance" ...who seemed to stammer thru a statement , without much emotion...
the house is not great....the adults in the home have some criminal backgroud...
there is a horrible drug traffic-ing route down from Canada into northern Idaho, and at least one guy was shot a few years ago because of that..
apparently, its easy to get into the US thru the weak borders up north, and being as the house of the murder victims was along a major highway, in northern Idaho, with some criminal activity in the family, I don't think its far-fetched to think drug running had a little something to do with this atrocity....
Lutner, 33, of Hayden, Idaho is a person of interest as he is believed to have been visiting the Groene home on Sunday evening. Capt. Ben Wolfinger said during a hastily arranged press conference Wednesday afternoon that authorities had been in contact with Lutner, that he knew deputies were looking for him and they were arranging to meet with him.
It is just before you go up to 4th of July Pass.
It was just revealed that the victims were all bound before they were slaughtered.
I'm trying to be positive about the two kids. Since they weren't tied up as well, it would miraculous if they did escape and were just afraid to come back.
Thanks, Grandma..
btw POI has contacted the police or other way around. I imagine we will hear more on 5pm news. See above.
Hi GrandmaC- have you heard any results from the person of interest?
No he is being interviewed at this time, so he must be up here in Coeur d'Alene. The detective, said depending on the interview, they may release him tonight.
What's a Tweaker?
Thanks for keeping me updated. Interesting about the drug-running pipeline from Canada.
Seattle news says that officers had to wear Hazmat suits to enter the house, which sounds exactly like a meth raid to me. What else could it be?
All stations mentioned that the vics were bound, one said they were bound together. Apparently a lot of blood. Gruesome. Sounds almost ritualistic. I too try to remain positive about the children, but the police dogs seemed to be frolicking around with no trail to follow.
I know a LEO in the next county. Maybe I'll give him a call tonight.
Great post Veto and thanks for the ping.
I am off for another day or two meaning away from FR and Friends so please keep me in your ping updates so I can read up when I get back and follow the accounts as developing.
I am an all nighter when here so I can bump.
BUMP FOR VETO's links and search.
Prayers for the two sweet kids.
Bump.
Dad, a tweaker is a meth addict.
Relative: Murder victim was caring, protective mother
Posted: Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 08:22:32 am PDT
By DAVE TURNER
Staff writer
Price believes missing children could be hiding
COEUR d'ALENE -- A relative of two missing Wolf Lodge-area children said he believes they are still alive.
Bob Price of Seattle, whose wife is the aunt of Dylan Groene, 9, and Shasta Groene, 8, said he thinks they will be found.
"I'm confident we will get to the bottom of this," Price said.
The children were reported missing hours after police found their mother, Brenda Kay Groene, 40, another son, Slade Groene, 13, and Brenda's longtime live-in boyfriend, Mark Edward McKenzie, 37, dead at the family home at 12725 Frontage Road.
An Amber Alert was issued for the children early Tuesday morning and is still active.
Price and his wife, Wendy, came to be with her brother, Steven Groene. Steven Groene is Brenda's former husband and father of their five children.
Price said the sheriff's office has been "extremely cooperative" and is impressed with the resources at the scene.
"The two remaining children, as far as we're concerned, are still alive," he said.
Sheriff Rocky Watson said it's believed the last time anyone saw the children was on Sunday. He confirmed they were not in school at Fernan Elementary on Monday, and they did not ride the bus home that day.
Price said his family hasn't had much contact with the children "ever since Steve became estranged from Brenda, about 1998."
"But they are good kids, they do quite well in school," he said. "They are good, wholesome kids."
He also said Brenda Groene was a good mother who was very protective and proud of her children.
"She did all the things right that mothers were supposed to do," Price said.
He said he didn't know her to have any enemies.
He said while he didn't personally know McKenzie, he said he believes while he moved in with Brenda shortly after the breakup of the marriage, he understands the two grew up together in Eureka, Mont.
While Price said he thinks a plausible reason for the killings appears to be "drugs, revenge or a rip-off" because of the brutality, he has not been told of a possible motive.
"Maybe it was they might have had cash in the house," he said.
Regardless of the cause, Price said he believes the children could still be hiding in the area. "There's a lot of nooks and crannies out there," he said. "They are very familiar with the territory because they lived there all their lives."
"No news is good news so far," he said.
Dave Turner can be reached at 664-8176, ext. 2009 or at dturner@cdapress.com.
The reported sighting by a gas station attendant near Bonner's Ferry turned out to be inaccurate. I don't believe that these children will ever be seen again. Please, Lord, let me be wrong.
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