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Hillary vs. Allen [Robert Novak]
townhall.com ^ | May 14, 2005 | Robert Novak

Posted on 05/14/2005 11:12:38 AM PDT by aculeus

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To: WestVirginiaRebel

But if both candidates are Senators, that becomes moot (thought you're right, it's generally always true otherwise.)


61 posted on 05/14/2005 4:56:33 PM PDT by John Robertson
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To: Dan from Michigan
I'd rather face her than Mark Warner or Bill Richardson.

Agree...VERY formidable gentlemen. Nearly impossible to caricature like Kerry oe HRC. Tough. Richardson is my "favorite" Dem outside of Zell.

62 posted on 05/14/2005 4:57:06 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Bahbah
I do not believe this.

Fine, don't believe it. But please assume it. Too many defeats have come at the hands of those who underestimated a Clinton. She will be forrmidable, and have very stupid American women behind her, and then entire MSM beating the "first woman president" drum every single day. We cannot take anything for granted until she conceeds defeat.

64 posted on 05/14/2005 5:03:53 PM PDT by montag813
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To: thegreatbeast
If someone suggested a Constitutional Amendment doing away with the Senate, I'd support it.

Could not agree more. Useless body. Keep it around, but reduce its power to something like the House of Lords. Then Lord Voinovich could bleat all he wanted, to little effect.

65 posted on 05/14/2005 5:06:13 PM PDT by montag813
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To: WestVirginiaRebel; JohnnyZ; BonnieJ
IMHO the serious issue about 2008 is debate format.

When you really analyze it, the presidential "debates" we have had have all been joint news conferences, really. And once you understand the perspective of journalism, you understand that journalists always will try to make a Republican look bad. It takes a Ronald Reagan to convert that situation to his own advantage. And Ronald Reagan is dead.

From a Republican perspective, practically everything is wrong with the "great debate" format:

All of these things could be readily eliminated if the debates were done on the radio: Wonderful idea, but nothing recommends it to the mainstream press, which wants a superficial process which they can manipulate for their own purposes. Any Republican who wants this format will have to really be a tough negotiator to get it.

66 posted on 05/14/2005 5:07:58 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which liberalism coheres is that NOTHING actually matters but PR.)
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To: aculeus

When I first saw the headline on Drudge, I thought it said "Hillary vs. Alien".

I would say to Hillary: "Senator, you're no Sigourney Weaver"!


67 posted on 05/14/2005 5:08:07 PM PDT by Checkers
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To: tame
I found this quote from the Augusta Times,

"On a more personal note, Virginia Sen. George Allen said, "Legal immigration has been and is the lifeblood of our nation. My own mother followed the process and emigrated to the U.S. from Tunisia after World War II. I have the greatest respect for the ingenuity, discipline and determination that so many of our newest citizens show in their work and lives."

"But illegal immigration is not only unfair to the thousands of men and women who waited their turn and worked hard to come to America, but is also a threat to our nation and state socially and economically," Allen said.

"I support the strict enforcement of our immigration laws and hope that legislators in Virginia and my colleagues in Congress will join me in supporting laws to make illegal immigration more difficult and unappealing."

68 posted on 05/14/2005 5:17:36 PM PDT by monkeywrench (http://ciudadano.presidencia.gob.mx/peticion/peticion.htm -Tell Vicente)
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To: AGreatPer
Most important, she will finally have to face some tough que

Really?
How many "tough" questions did Kerry have to face?
I'm still waiting for answers to questions that old media never did ask.

69 posted on 05/14/2005 5:25:17 PM PDT by Optimist (I think I'm beginning to see a pattern here.)
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To: kittymyrib

yeah but you'll never see Hill in a duck blind. Bubba will be doing all that for her as her proxy.
Wait until she tries to paint herself as a supporter of gun rights and hunters.
She's got a serious "man" problem..NASCAR, college football fans or hunters are going to vote for Shrill Hill?


70 posted on 05/14/2005 5:28:15 PM PDT by WoodstockCat (W2 !!! Four more Years!!)
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To: aculeus
If Hillary is elected, I predict the following will occur:

Massive spending increases
More federal debt
Continuation of the open-border policies
More job outsourcing
Bigger trade deficits
Higher health care costs
Weaker dollar
More BATFE agents
Weaker military, stretched out all over world
Increased surveillance and police state attitude toward US citizens.

(But keep voting party label.........)

71 posted on 05/14/2005 5:29:48 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: griswold3
The Clinton-vs.-Allen forecast by the leading House members duplicates the National Journal's poll of insiders from both parties

Screw that. The "insiders" have given us such statists as Ford, Bush, and Dole.

Here's a novel idea: let's just pick the best man or woman for the job and support them. That strategy worked out okay with a guy named Reagan.

72 posted on 05/14/2005 5:31:38 PM PDT by Mulder (“The spirit of resistance is so valuable, that I wish it to be always kept alive" Thomas Jefferson)
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To: tame
oh, goodness, "history" doesn't scare me

Ditto. Hey this election broke the most important historical trend known! The Redskins win/loss pattern and GOP candidates. Think about it..Allen's Dad was Redskins coach...hmm...

73 posted on 05/14/2005 5:32:15 PM PDT by WoodstockCat (W2 !!! Four more Years!!)
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To: dubyaismypresident
I agree. I can't see her turning any red states blue.

Best chance: Ohio. Next best: NOrth Carolina

74 posted on 05/14/2005 5:33:56 PM PDT by HIDEK6
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To: WoodstockCat
...this election broke the most important historical trend known! The Redskins win/loss pattern and GOP candidates. Think about it..Allen's Dad was Redskins coach...hmm...

Go, Allen!

75 posted on 05/14/2005 5:43:18 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: monkeywrench

He couldn't possibly be worse on immigration than Dubya. btw, i think we should track down Allen's statements re this Bush amnesty thing.


76 posted on 05/14/2005 5:45:17 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Mulder
Here's a novel idea: let's just pick the best man or woman for the job and support them. That strategy worked out okay with a guy named Reagan.

i agree. screw the "insiders". but I think George Allen just MIGHT be the best man (or at least one of the better men) for the job. we'll see.

77 posted on 05/14/2005 5:47:08 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Nathaniel Fischer
Do you really think McCain, the biggest ego in the Republican Party, would play second-fiddle to the biggest ego in the Democratic Party?

yes. it brings him within a heart beat of the presidency.

McCain is a maverick, but he isn't a liberal.

What have you been SMOKING today?!? Is this really Andrea Mitchell posing as a freeper?

"Maverick" is the media code word for LEFTIST.

he'll be a pain for the Republicans, but he'll never join the Democrats.

and you know this how?

78 posted on 05/14/2005 5:53:03 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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To: Mulder
That strategy worked out okay with a guy named Reagan.

Not to take the thread off topic..but...

Reagan was a once in a generation type of politican. The man was just short of brilliant. He spent years and years developing his political philosophy from the private sector. He was completely unique in that reqard. I urge all of you to read "God and Ronald Reagan". His disturst of the communists internationally was developed slowly over time in the 40's and 50's. Ask youself, could a primary B-level actor married to a more sucessfull actress and divorced pull off what Reagan did in this media culture? People point to Arnold as a possible example but Reagan's writing and ideas clearly seperate him. George Allen isn't Reagan nor is Tom Tancredo.

79 posted on 05/14/2005 5:54:04 PM PDT by WoodstockCat (W2 !!! Four more Years!!)
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To: WoodstockCat
George Allen isn't Reagan

I LOVE Reagan, but it is thoroughly possible that someone like George Allen could prove to be more conservative as far as Presidential decisions than Reagan.

Allen could do this if he
1) not allow ANY type of amnesty for illegals.
2) make sure never to appoint leftists like Sandra O'Connor or Anthony Kennedy.

80 posted on 05/14/2005 6:00:27 PM PDT by tame (Are you willing to do for the truth what leftists are willing to do for a lie?)
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