Posted on 05/12/2005 7:46:54 PM PDT by Your Nightmare
I am just pointing where the '23%' figure came from.
Yea, well I have concerns about the guvmint stealing my money right now.
I haven't seen much in the way of reports on the Tax Commission hearing featuring the Fair Tax witnesses. Too bad the small plane panic kept the hearing off CSPAN, at least so far as I could tell. Did John Linder appear as a witness?
I'm just pointing out for others -
No, but it is the only one that makes taxation voluntary, which is the only method that is truly "fair" and proper and intended by the Founders. People stealing my money, no matter who it is, is evil and wrong.
FairTax BUMP!
Fair Tax will penalize those on Social Security since they will not realize any income increase if the income tax is abolished because no withholding is taken on SS payments.
Interesting point that they already receive their gross income, and others don't. But your contention that they will not see an increase in their income is but not very accurate. For like every one else, Social Security recipients will receive the same Family Consumption Allowence rebating sales tax payments for purchases to the poverty level.
Since as a point of fact the purchasing power of Social Security payments will be maintained through the inclusion of the Fair Tax within the CPI along with all other sales taxes on the cost of goods and services. It must be noted that CPI is not adjusted for income or payroll taxes today, inspite of the fact that income and payroll taxes paid by corportations which provide the goods and services must pay those taxes out of their sales revenues.
Social Security will be assured cost of living adjustments sufficient to track any change in cost of living including those due to sales taxes, as it done today, at the same time will receive the FCA sales tax rebate as well.
I don't see Social Secuity recipient being penalized by income going down in any sense of the word, quite the contrary.
March 2, 2002
The Injustice of the Income Tax
by Alan Keyes
American Legion magazine
That is mostly due to the fact most people on FR have grown tired of the circular arguments presented by yourself and YN on these threads. In short your reputations preceed you.
I discussed the importance of abolishing the income tax because of its tendency to form a habit of servility in the souls of a people that accepts it. Servility of soul is bad not only in itself, it is also an open door through which will soon walk the abuses of ambitious government power. Leaders who find themselves with governmental power over a servile people will be quick to conclude that such a people exist to serve them. |
"As a matter of fact, what the income tax does and this is the debate that I think we always try to get into in order to let you and him fight, see and the people of this country are led down a path where the actual control of their resources, which in the end is the control over their will, is handed off to the government." . . . "The government then manipulates that will in order to destroy the freedom of our electoral system through the income tax structure, and we call the resulting slavery a free system." "In point of fact, it is not as the founders understood, and the only way to restore real freedom is to give people back control over the income that they earn so that they wont, at the voting booth and in other phony issues, be subject to that manipulation." |
The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt."
-John Philpot Curran: Speech upon the Right of Election, 1790.
Because it's a good idea for citizens and a bad idea for politcians, that's why. DUH!
Well excuse me, I've been having lunch. Funny how you hear silence before four posts have been made.
Correct. TaxAnalysts provides resources to the 'industry.' Their bias should be obvious to all but those who are so blind that they refuse to see.
Funny how you hear silence before four posts have been made.
My post was one hour after the article was posted yesterday...tax threads don't usually go a full hour before the first few posts.
Well excuse me, I've been having lunch.
I should have known the fairtax crowd had to get to work before they could have access to computers on their bosses time.
Simple, politicians everywhere want to hide how much they are stealing from us to buy votes for them....and just because it isn't used elsewhere is a p#ss poor excuse for not analyzing it. Imagine the world being flat until Christopher Columbus came along and changed all that..and made it round....LOL Politicians are brain dead when it comes to giving excuses to keep their sacred cow. Why change the system where over 50% of lobbyist money is spent for tax influence...It's not like they care about the people or anything, just themselves.
Unless they're posted near midnight, when most FReepers are asleep, of course.
Typical. It's a shame you have to resort to such juvenile attacks. You are to be pitied. How can anyone take you seriously? BTW, I am my own boss and I have 5 computers at home but only 4 at the office.
Basically an eye-opener showing us just how bad we're taking it in the shorts through seen and 'unseen' taxes!
Thanks for the ping geezer.
Of course they have 'concerns' about the FairTax......
It would remove much, if not all, of their power to parlay favors for cash, perks, off the books stuff.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you to learn that they have 'issues' with this proposal.
Correct. TaxAnalysts provides resources to the 'industry.' Their bias should be obvious to all but those who are so blind that they refuse to see.Any specifics of this report you want to point out as being biased? It seems a pretty accurate report of the hearing. MarketWatch stated "backers of a national sales tax received a lukewarm reception from the advisory panel."
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