Posted on 05/11/2005 6:39:25 PM PDT by neverdem
Edited on 05/11/2005 8:46:27 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
You'll get no argument from me.
BTW, how the hell did you ever decypher what I wrote? When I reread it and your response, I could barely understand it.
For clarification for other who might read it:
Starr WAS NOT talking about the so called 'nuclear' option. He was criticizing the Dems for their obstruction but cBS twisted it to make it appear that Starr was attacking the GOP.
I also listened to Limbaugh & Hannity yesterday, so I knew pretty much what was going down with the lates Demonicrat devilish deviousness & decadence!!!
It had nothing to do with the shows you listed. It was the references to the 50s era, the height of Jim Crow. Often when we long for the good ole days when freedom abounded, we forget those who had none. I would change much about today but I would not go back.
Yes, my statement had nothing to do with the programs.
When we reminisce about the past, each of us sees our own past, and not that of others.
Exactly the problem. He referenced returning to the 50s era and that was the height of Jim Crow. Though there is much I would change today, I would not return to that era for anything.
Thanks for the ping....after dindin
I understand, but who can stay perpetually focused on the worst aspects of an era when there was also much more to be honored than exists as of today???
Many among us do not see the "so much to be honored". How much freedom was there really when a whole segment of society had none?
My mother and now my wife calls it "dindin" for feeding my mutt then and now. LOL!
Now, what I can't understand is why the "Black Community" cannot seem to ever bring themselves to be intellectually honest about WHO stood up for them when it REALLY counted with meaningful law making!!! So we did all that and things have certainly improved and I don't think only of the negative of that time anymore as those issues were resolved!!! I've "moved on!"
Many do, this is why we have project 21. The others are just as blind as the environmentalist.
I will never fully understand the Black Muslim movement, or the so-called American Indian movement in the sense that they struggled to get OUT of the melting pot instead of working to get IN!!!
I can't speak for everywhere, but in the Bay Area, the 50s were the height of the american black economy. Oakland was dominated by successful black owned small businesses such as restaurants, cleaning shops, auto repair, grocery stores, and pawn shops, and the civil rights movement of the 60s destroyed them by driving a wedge between working class whites and blacks. Those businesses largely have not returned. Oakland is on the edge now, unless you are a multi-millionaire that owns highrise office space.
I think that you're making much of a false stereotype. Yes there was a large segment of society that was shut out, but it was not cut on racial lines. Lower class whites and blacks were not much different in terms of opportunity. The common factors among them were poor education, and crime. Both of those factors have gotten worse for blacks in particular. Education has been denied to our lower class citizens by dumbing down the schools.
The 50s were better for the lower class.
Well said.
No I was refereing to Project 21
Project 21 is an initiative of The National Center for Public Policy Research to promote the views of African-Americans whose entrepreneurial spirit, dedication to family and commitment to individual responsibility has not traditionally been echoed by the nation's civil rights establishment.
I don't watch the network news. Never did, unless I was looking for something specific so I didn't hear the 'report' about Starr's comment but while not convinced that Starr actually said it, I wasn't ready to believe that he didn't -- until I heard the Rush show that you heard.
But then there are the 280 million people who only heard the cBS "Starr said" comment and will never know that he didn't say it.
BTW, next time that I write something that I don't understand, I'll ping you to interpret for me, okay? ;-)
good article bump
Maybe you'd better ping farmfriend. She just bowled me over with all that "Jim Crow" stuff that I wasn't even considering or contemplating as I guess it never sunk as far into my generation as it did her's.
For awhile I was really doin some heavy duty soul searchin and re-readin my own replies to see what racist, bigoted, homophobic thang I had said!!! (grin) I once got pounced on, here on FR for typin slovenly, southern slang like the word "thang," above, for bein an unmitigate vile racist bastard!!!
farmfriend... I sure thought you knew me a whole lot better than that, but I was beginnin to wonder... stuff really gets misinterpreted on this site awfully easy!!!
As I recall I defended you during that episode solely because I don't believe you are a racist. I only brought up the Jim Crow thing because I have seen several on this forum complain about it. I even got nailed with the same spear I threw at you. It's all good. No worries.
I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt. That's especially true if it seems out of character for the person.
Sometimes things (thangs) are just taken out of context in error and sometimes deliberately to try to discredit you.
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