I guess Noah was wrong to not take care of his fellow human beings, huh? They should have had an ordinance, or law, huh? /sarcasm
Posted on 05/11/2005 5:58:09 AM PDT by Abathar
...I wasn't speaking about Constitutional Law, but even then, there is no right to ETERNAL life...
I sure do think a lot of folk will be surprised one day, when they stand before Him...
Religious indignation, puffery, and emotional justification, cannot give you a better deal, withstanding God's judgement! You are using your heart, and that is keeping you blinded to reality.
Man can make all of the rules, design and manufacture fabulous machines, and combine artificial substances, for the purpose of thwarting the demise of God's creation. But, man cannot create life.
To make it simple, God created the heavens and the earth. Believe it or not.
God created man, in His image. God knew what He was creating, so, even before beginning, He planned for the Cross. He knew that man would want to take His place, but He knew that if He created a robot, there would be no fellowship, no friendship, no love.
According to the prophecies, and the witnesses, God became a man, withstood the pain and suffering of life, and died, at the merciless hands of men. He was resurrected from the dead. Believe it or not.
God said that, if I would simply believe that He did this, He would justify me. He would promise me eternal life with Him, though I am a miserable piece of man. Believe it or not.
God made promises to many men (and women) in the past. He always kept His word...
I hope you understand the difference, between here and eternity!
Luke was a doctor. I don't find any evidence in the Bible that God wants Christians to forgo medical help. One can exercise faith AND use medicine.
And I hope you understand the difference between God's will and yours. Murder is wrong. You can twist God's message from now until eternity, but murder has always been and will always be wrong.
I guess Noah was wrong to not take care of his fellow human beings, huh? They should have had an ordinance, or law, huh? /sarcasm
You're a real piece of work. You're not very good at this deception game you're playing. I can't imagine that anyone is fooled into believing that all murderers will go to heaven, and those who fail to commit murder will burn in hell for all eternity. But keep pushing that theory. It gets funnier by the minute.
"The baby, Rhiana Rose Schmidt, was born at her parents' Johnson County home and died two days later. An autopsy showed she died of an infection that normally is treated with antibiotics."
Died within two days of an infection.
Since this is hindsight, why not name the infection?
What were the symptoms?
If she had been treated medically, is the antibiotic a cure 100% of the time?
Really spotty reporting.
As to the parents decision to use or not use government licensed and approved medical providers...thats a hard judgement in this case to make based on the limited information presented.
Lady, this is certainly not a deception. The only piece of work, is the ignorance of some people, concerning faith!
You did not answer my last question. Was Noah wrong to not take his neighbors along? do you believe it happened, or do you just think it's a nice story?
Yes, it is a very bad attempt at deception. When you twist the word of God to convince others that God wants us to murder each other, that's a really bad attempt at deception. You apparently haven't learned much since you first presented the apple. I'm not going to bite the apple. Ever. You might as well give up.
Lady, you must have bit the whole tree. You make no sense accusing me of deception, when I have done nothing but present the Scripture, the Word of God.
Due to the original acts of Adam and Eve, in the Garden of Eden, we are all sinners. I have stated that God is immutable. Man is not. Man believes in moving the goal posts.
I proffered a section of Scripture detailing Job's faithfulness. Though his life was completely devastated, his family dead, and his riches burnt, he maintained a steadfastness in God.
I offered the example of Noah, a man who listened to god's whisper, and built a ship in his backyard. His family was all that God allowed on the Ark. I guess you consider him a murderer. Did you mean God, or Noah?
I spoke of Abraham who was not required to slay his son, but was ready. God provided a ram, just as Abraham was preparing to sink the blade. It was Abraham's promised son under the blade.
I could tell you about Paul, a Jew's jew, who traveled the roads persecuting Christians. He met God on the Damascus road. The New Testament is full of God's wisdom, shared through Paul, in letter, after letter, that were written to the early churches...
These stories all have a common theme. They are about men of faith. If you wish a female example, I can speak to you about Sarah. She was old and barren, but believed God. She birthed a son.
These may be nice stories to some people. They are Gospel truth to me!
Paul wrote about faith, many times over. One of my favorite passages comes from his letter to the church at Corinth...
18For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. 19For it is written:
"I will destroy the wisdom of the wise; the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate."[c]
20Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? 21For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. 22Jews demand miraculous signs and Greeks look for wisdom, 23but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, 24but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25For the foolishness of God is wiser than man's wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than man's strength.
26Brothers, think of what you were when you were called. Not many of you were wise by human standards; not many were influential; not many were of noble birth. 27But God chose the foolish things of the world to shame the wise; God chose the weak things of the world to shame the strong. 28He chose the lowly things of this world and the despised things—and the things that are not—to nullify the things that are, 29so that no one may boast before him. 30It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who has become for us wisdom from God—that is, our righteousness, holiness and redemption. 31Therefore, as it is written: "Let him who boasts boast in the Lord."
You say I am a deceiver. I questioned the lack of faith, displayed by those who think they know God's mind. You may have an emotional response, if you wish. You apparently do not know the Scripture, or may just not believe that God is real.
You may have been deceived, but not by me!
You have the nerve to accuse God of wanting us to murder each other, and you say I'm the one who is deceived? You're NUTS!!!
Did you read my last post?
I didn't accuse God of anything, and I have not suggested the killing of anyone. You obviously have not bothered to read my postings! I quoted Scripture.
Did Noah do wrong? You say thaat I am a murderer.
Was Abraham wrong? You say that I am inciting murder.
Are you a believer in Christ? If not, then I apologize for confusing the issue. If you are a Christian, you are displaying an ignorance of God, or of His Word!
God required those things... not me! Take it up with Him, if you disagree.
Here's one you missed. Too late to kill this one. I'm sure you think her parents should burn in hell for allowing her to live. Drop by and tell us all how evil we are.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1401378/posts
Do people have the right to healthcare?
People have the right to life. It's not a difficult concept.
Of course people have the right to life; no one has the right to take the life of another. That's called "murder."
Again, do people have the right to healthcare? Is that a "difficult concept"?
Let me put it this way. The right to life is absolute. The right to any and all health care is not. That does not mean that you can deprive someone of health care that they are entitled to in order to cause their death. That would be absolutely contrary to the fact that people have the right to life. Is it getting too complicated for you?
I beg to differ on your definition of murder as it relates to this particular instance. The baby's parents refused medical treatment for her because of the tenets of their faith. I am not familiar with their church, but I imagine it is similar to the Christian Scientists. Thus, the question becomes: Do they have the right to refuse medical treatment for themselves or for their child if said treatment would violate their religious beliefs?
BTW, I personally happen to believe that God granted a lot of smarts and abilities to medical researchers and doctors to give them the ability to cure diseases and treat afflictions. Thus, the medicines and so forth should be treated as gifts from Him and acceptable to people of faith.
So far, so good.
That does not mean that you can deprive someone of health care that they are entitled to in order to cause their death.
Hmm. That sounds a lot like a "right."
I wonder how much health care a person is "entitled to." Some seem to think people are entitled to any and all health care that would result in prolonging or even just improving their lives (e.g. Medicare pays for Viagra). Even if you think that's a stretch, if a person does not receive as much health care as is necessary to prolong his life as much as technologically possible, some might say that the doctor (or the hospital or the society or the government) which failed to provide it "caused his death."
How about this... Let's say doctors are as certain as they can be that my life would be improved and significantly prolonged if I would start a daily dose of prescription drug XYZ. The problem is, I'm in poor health, self-employed, on the verge of bankruptcy, behind on child support payments, can't get insurance, and the drug costs $1000/month. Obviously, I can't pay for it. But, given the facts, there is little question that, without the drug, it's extremely likely I won't live as long as I could without it. Let's say it's pretty certain to add 5 years to my life and maybe as much as 10 or even 20 (does that matter?). Am I entitled to this health care, yes or no?
If it depends, what does it depend on? My age?
Is it getting too complicated for you?
I sincerely look forward to your answer.
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