Posted on 05/09/2005 8:22:16 AM PDT by anguish
Once would get evolution out.
Hasn't happened.
Liberals, godless and otherwise, get to go to school too.
Free country.
No.
God created the laws of nature specifically that allows evolution. I believe that evolution is Gods greatest creations.
It's too bad you've bought into that junk that somehow evolution is "against the laws of nature". You've been missled, and the only question is whether it was deliberate, or merely out of ignorance. I'll be generous and guess it was the latter.
Exactly.
Luckily I'm not too busy this afternoon so I'll play along. There are scientists who don't agree that dinosaurs turned into birds. There are those who question what the Cambrian explosion means to evolution. Of course, I think we all agree that life adapts to certain conditions. As for speciation, I don't believe all agree at this point.
Well, the left appears to be succeding in spliting the conservative movement. They're doing it the old fashioned way, by appealing to the emotional and ignorant.
This has also occurred to me.
Exactly.
All what?
All scientists in the relevant fields of biology agree on the mechanisms of speciation
Cool - you know all scientists in the field of biology.
It wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if there are some DU trolls on the creationist side. This issue certainly has the power to make conservatives look dumb. As well as split us apart, because this is such an emotional argument.
It's no wonder the more intelligent conservatives such as George Bush and Rush Limbaugh have avoided this issue almost completely. Whereas some conservatives have not, such as Sean Hannity. Which is a shame, I like to hear Sean rant.
"Did God supernaturally bypass the laws of nature to allow evolution to happen?"
NO!!!!
He set it all up like a baker bakes a cake.
It's like all those people upset because when the wind is just right, the tides are just so, the water levels just so, and the moon is just so, the RED SEA parts.
"AH HA!" say some, "no miracle. Just a natural process."
Well, the miracle was in the timing!
That "natural process" occurred just when Moses shows up and stops just as Pharoah's army closes in.
God knows ALL. He set it all up.
And this includes the natural laws that give us evolution.
Your speaking of micro or macro?
"How is debate on the unknown hate-filled?"
It's not when it is legitimate debate.
But so often these "debates" are just name-calling.
There are dishonest arguments, misquotes, and intentional floating of know-bogus information (e.g., the recurring misuse of the laws of thermodynamics); or intentionally warping the theory of evolution to say it addresses matters that it does not (e.g., where the primordial soup comes from --- evolution deals with what already exists --- not ultimate creation --- and never has touched on that issue).
Indeed, supposed fellow "Chrisitans" have accused me of:
1. Being in favor of birth defects.
2. Hating Jesus/God whatnot
3. Being in favor of Nazi atrocities
4. Supporting Nazi ideas
and that is just what I recall sitting here.
That is not "debate" It is certainly not "speaking truth in love." It is mere hate.
The "micro" vs. "macro" is a phaux debate.
It's like seeing the first mile of a marathon.
Then several in the middle, on and off as you flipped TV channels.
Then the end.
And claiming there was no evidence of a race because you did not see every step of the race.
Note the word "relevant."
I certainly (as would anyone else in the field) know of no publications or even gossip relating to any studies that would cause any problems.
Only warning: I don't play word games and won't respond to future games.
No difference. Grains of sand versus a beach.
Great. They can bring out their evidence and discuss the subject.
Which is something that the creationist camp does none of. They quote mine the work of actual scientists and critique it for the sole purpose of showing science in a bad light.
Where are the fossils actually found by creationists? Where is the original DNA research being done by creationists?
Answer, none.
20 years ago there was some physical "evidence" that the people then known as "creation scientists" produced that they claimed showed the earth to be 6000 years old or so. It was roundly debunked, and the evidence hasn't been talked about since. They've been smart enough since then to limit their work to merely critiquing science, but they're the same people who were unmasked as charlatans back then. I no longer have patience with anything they have to say.
Call me closed minded. But fool me once .....
Actually, I've read several places where he didn't address humans in the chain of evolution but I'll pull out my book tonight and check.
As far as dishonesty, evos are way ahead of the creationists. False feathers, Piltdown man, etc.
After all these years, the majority of Americans don't buy evolution but you all still continue to teach it. Talk about snake oil!
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