Dismay at US Koran 'desecration'

BBC ^ | 8 May 2005 | BBC News - World Edition

[rlmorel]

I did qualify that statement that I could be mistaken. Thanks for the correct information.

[Destro]

You are misreading what I wrote. I responded Mr_Bovinity's statement that America did nothing to stop what the Japanese did in China. I posted my comment to show that indeed America did reply to Japanese barbarity.

[rlmorel]

You are correct. I did misread it. Sorry, that statement just gets my dander up whenever I hear it, and I didn't read your past posts.

[Destro]

Trade sanctions are an act of war. Cause and effect of trade sanctions to a super power is war.

The use of the word "cause" is correct - your understanding of the English language comprehension needs work.

Caused:

1) The producer of an effect, result, or consequence. The one, such as a person, event, or condition, that is responsible for an action or result.

2) A basis for an action or response; a reason.

[rlmorel]

Destro,
You could use a little work on your people skills. I happen to have a pretty good understanding of the english language and how it is used, and your condescending statement is not appreciated.

Trade sanctions are not an act of war. Countries are free to do business with whomever they please. The refusal to trade with a country does not give them just cause to attack a country.

If Japan invaded Manchuria and did not have their supplies of steel and oil secured, that is not the problem of any other state but Japan. I would like you to explain how it is an act of war.

[rlmorel]

Furthermore, if you are going to knock someone else's grammar, it is usually a good idea to double-check your own before you do. Your composition could use a little work as well.

I apologize for misconstruing your remarks, I was not giving the subject my full attention at the time. But I disagree with you on the basis of the content of your last post.

[AmericanArchConservative]

LOL!

Good on you mate!

I was waiting for someone to connect the remainder of the twentieth century dots regarding the Mufti/Hitler connection. It is quite uncommon knowledge (especially if one went to US public 'skrewel') that Hitler had Muslim regiments at his command - the Hussars (who marched under a star and crescent muslim flag of green) united with Germany in their abject ages-old hatred for the Jews.

Figures it would be one of my favourite sidekicks chiming in to educate the unwashed Dhimmi wanna-be's!

Keep fighting, Ro!

I'll be back later with more...

A.A.C.

{You can have my copy of "Mein Kur'an" (a 'Charmin' trademark) when you pry it out of my constipation-afflicted, seizure-racked hands!}

[SledgeCS]

Here is an idea. I say we use the Quran pages as everything that will insult and degrades the muslims. Miny kites made out of Quran pages, appetizers for the local hog farm, short square TP dispensaries for the local outhouses. That POS piece of literature deserves no more respect than listed. If any of the depraved in a muslim country riot over this, then give them a copy of the quran and ask them to read it. If they cannot read it, then the quran is a total worthless piece of camel dung

Question of the day...

If an effigy of muhammod was burned, what animal would he be with? A camel, a goat, a pig or worse yet not an animal but a 9 year old girl?

[Destro]

Trade sanctions that are enforced by military blockade are,in fact, an act of war. In Japan's case our trade sanctions were not an act of war but it was an act of aggression. Also, America was financing and supplying American mercenary units know as the Flying Tigers to fight the Japanese before Pearl Harbor. Pearl Harbor did not happen in a vacuum.

[Destro]

My people skills? My dander wasn't raised at the drop of a sentence.

[jb6]

Actually it wasn't manned until it was a ruin, but the Germans did build position right beside it, so there was no choice but to bomb it.

[jb6]

Destro is correct. The US cut off oil and scrap metal trade with Japan, which the Japanese needed desperately in China. They also saw it as a further slight on their honor to add to the one under Admiral Perry.

[AmericanArchConservative]

yes and 700 years + of religious desecration, cultural destruction and violent social oppression against the Buddists, Sikhs, and Hindus of India...

More than 800 years out of the last 1,324 grinding down the Persians...

The muhammadans have spent the whole time trying to humiliate, destroy, and/or enslave the Jews. Christians have fared precious little better.

The list of atrocities is just too long...

I am glad to see so many FReepers becoming SO WELL educated about the P.R.O.P. (Phony Religion Of Peace); you and others like you may well be the saving of our homeland from these ruthless, inbred, camel-molesting Islamist cretins

A.A.C.

Announcing yet another fine acronym ~ Muslim Organisation of Female Opression - M.O.F.O.

Why settle for some watered-down religion of peace and love, or some phony, kindhearted and forgiving G_d when you can join up and become the genuine article - a REAL M.O.F.O.!

If you don't come bow down and kiss allah-uzza's a$$ 5x today, how can you justify sodomizing donkeys, beheading dirty kuffar, and beating your wife to death tomorrow?

[OKIEDOC]

Chgogal wrote:

Why should we apologize to the Muslim world for THEIR HATE and BIGOTRY that has left almost each Muslim ruled country in poverty, illiteracy and cultural backwardness? Why do we Americans have to change our behavior when our soldiers are dragged dead and almost naked through the streets of Mogadishu, when our Embassies get blown up, when one of our navy ships barely survives a SNEEK attack, when our buildings get attacked and thousands of civilians and soldiers die? Why should we accept this in silence?

We shouldn't have to apologize to anyone for making this a better world. Christianity is based on love and Islam is based on pure hatred and intolerance.

It is odd that a cultists religion like Islam could drag down millions of fanatical followers for so many century's. What is even more fanatical is that these followers are so ignorant that they continue to let few enjoy the spoils while the languish in a pig sty of a life.

Most of the ones spewing the Satanic hatred for anything non Muslim are those that enjoy the spoils of the religion. People such as the Saudi Princes who enjoy extreme wealth at the expense of a majority of their fellow countrymen.


Another group just as hateful and despised is the ACLU. It is beyond pale that these freaks play right into the hands of the fanatical Muslims. We need to stop the ACLU from collecting attorney fees for filing lawsuits against American traditions.

[GreenOgre]

Let's see. 1.6 Billion muslims. Flush one koran down toilet and the muslims kill 16 of their buddies. Let's see how many korans and toilets we can match up here ASAP.

[Fred Nerks]

And how could we be so insensitive to not treat the koran with the reverence it deserves, hey? Here's a photograph of what the 'religion of peace' did to 1.5 million Armenians, just one of an interesting collection taken in Turkey. http://www.ourararat.com/eng/e_sultan.htm

[AmericanArchConservative]

RE: post 153, etc...

Quiz question: what's the difference between "Mein Kur'anf" and the satanic 'bible'...?

A:...Oh, I thought - that is, I assumed...errrr, ummm, you don't know?!(d*mmit! you mean to say you can't see any difference either?)

A.A.C.

{Trying to earn a Boy Scout "fatwa" merit badge...

Doing my part to spread the unholy kur'anf around...

in swirling circles...

one flush, one page at a time...}

[rlmorel]

Yes, Destro is correct in saying that we imposed sanctions. I disagree with the characterization of those actions as a "cause" of Pearl Harbor". It is only a "cause" if viewed from the Japanese perspective, the same way our rock and roll music was a "cause" of 9/11.

The Japanese were training for Pearl Harbor in the Spring of 1941, before trade sanctions were imposed in July 1941.

The US was morally correct, and right to cut off those materials to Japan. I'm glad the stupid, agressive SOB's needed those raw materials desperately, and I am glad we had the opportunity to deny them.

As I said privately to Destro, trade sanctions are not a justifiable cassius belli. Period. End of story. Countries may trade with whomever they please, and may refuse to trade with whomever they please.

If the Arab world cuts off our oil supplies, some may see that as a just cause of war, but it is not. It is our own responsibility to secure our raw materials, and if we allow ourselves to be held over a barrel, that is not just cause for war.

If a river flows from one country into another, and water is denied by dams or poisoning, that is a just cause for war. Because a country denies to sell another country food, steel or oil does not give the right of war.

It has been said that we supported the Flying Tigers, and that Pearl Harbor did not happen in a vacuum. I would like someone to explain to me how helping a country defend itself against an illegal invading aggressor, or impinging on their honor is a just cause for war?

These two things, the trade sanctions and loss of face are what we hear most from Japanese apologists to justify Pearl Harbor. There is no excuse for the perfidious stab in the back at Pearl Harbor.

Don't get me wrong. I like the Japanese, I lived in Japan for several years. They are wonderful, complex people, who can display extraordinary sensitivity and generosity. But I also lived in the Phillipines, where things like the Bataan Death March have a much stronger historical memory than they do here or in Europe. It is a fact that Japan has never come to grips with starting the fire in Manchuria which eventually spread to the rest of the world, costing millions and millions of lives. So whenever I hear these two things trotted out, it reminds me of the revisionist history going on, what you hear (or used to hear, before the vets got angry enough to get it changed) on the boat out to the USS Arizona or at the Enola Gay exhibit which are sympathetic to these "causes".

[Chgogal]

Thanks for taking care of Destro so beautifully. The first time I heard similar revisionist history was in 1990 in Antigua.

You are correct about the Japanese not facing the truth. We had a wonderful family friend who at the age of 10 was put in a Japanese camp. He survived the years of abuse grew up and then lived in Japan. His job required it. He loved the Japanese and admired them. But once every year on the Remembrance Day he was first in line to protest the Japanese atrocities. I really admire my dear departed family friend.

Aside, he worked closely with the Arabs too. He had nothing positive to say about their business practices and culture. He must have had good reason.

[Bombardier]

It's not the same place anymore, I'm sad to say.....basic is scaled back, and the last time I was out there I hardly saw any airmen. Most of the display aircraft are gone, and the whole base feels deserted. Those kids there deserve better than what they're getting.