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House Approves REAL ID, Senate Action Up Next (FAIR UPDATE-WINS AND CONCESSIONS)
EMAIL ALERT FROM FAIR ^ | 05/05/05 | FAIR

Posted on 05/05/2005 3:48:24 PM PDT by fight_truth_decay

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To: fight_truth_decay

Great. The idea that illegals should have licenses identical to those of citizens should never have even been proposed. However, I am in favor of giving illegals driving licenses very different in appearance from regular licenses -- in order to keep tabs on their whereabouts.


21 posted on 05/05/2005 6:23:16 PM PDT by expatpat
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To: fight_truth_decay

True conservatives believe in the free movement of peoples, unhindered by interference from an Imperial government.

I've always believed that "neo-con(servative)" described former Democrats like Ronald Reagan and William F. Buckley who found home in the Republican party due to its strong stance against international Communism. The recent descriptions of neo-con as some kind of new facist seems to be more true everyday.

A pox on the houses of all who would grow the government in the name of "national security". FAH!


22 posted on 05/05/2005 7:24:17 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: ATOMIC_PUNK

Thank you for the ping!


23 posted on 05/05/2005 8:22:05 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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24 posted on 05/05/2005 8:56:49 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: gubamyster

I'm gonna faint - Jane Harman voted yes!


25 posted on 05/05/2005 9:31:59 PM PDT by janetgreen (Minutman Project - American patriotism!)
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To: expatpat; fight_truth_decay
"However, I am in favor of giving illegals driving licenses very different in appearance from regular licenses -- in order to keep tabs on their whereabouts."

I am for immediate deportation - period.

26 posted on 05/06/2005 3:34:32 AM PDT by azhenfud ("He who is always looking up seldom finds others' lost change...")
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To: The Shootist
True conservatives believe in the free movement of peoples, unhindered by interference from an Imperial government.

That is really more of a libertarian than a conservative view. Conservatives have always believed in strong borders, strong national defense, national sovereignty and the rule of law. Illegal immigration is an affront to all of these values.

27 posted on 05/06/2005 5:51:25 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: fight_truth_decay

INCREASE FOR AUSTRALIAN WORKERS: About 10,500 Australian guestworkers will be allowed to enter the country annually under terms similar to the H-1B high-tech visa category.<<<

This is fine with me. It is not Aussies who are invading this Country, it's Mexicans.


28 posted on 05/06/2005 6:46:15 AM PDT by Iron Matron
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And Sensenbrenner meant it primarily as a National Security measure.

That's not all that he said. He indicated at one point that he didn't like drivers obtaining a license from another state to avoid paying for bad driver points on their first license. First, this is ridiculous since insurance companies can check for that. Second, it is meant to further tighten controls on citizens, not illegals.

The main problem with this type of ID is that it requires checkpoints and roadblocks to work. There are plenty of illegals driving without licenses right now and giving citizens a new license will only push them further from integration into society.

29 posted on 05/06/2005 6:59:37 AM PDT by palmer ("Oh you heartless gloaters")
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To: azhenfud

How are you going to deport them if you don't know where they live? Register them, first, I say.


30 posted on 05/06/2005 7:22:21 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: palmer
There are plenty of illegals driving without licenses right now and giving citizens a new license will only push them further from integration into society.

I agree that it will not stop them from driving. In most states they already are prohibited from obtaining licenses but they drive anyway.

But it WILL keep them off airplanes and it will make it much harder for them to vote and it will make it harder for them to get food-stamps and low income housing and other benefits meant for citizens.

I'm not sure what you meant to convey by the second half of your statement. I am not sure about you, but I WANT to push them further from integration into society. I WANT them to stand out like a sore thumb and for it to be very difficult for them to get a job or sign up for welfare. I WANT their lives to be absolutely miserable to the point where they self-deport.

31 posted on 05/06/2005 9:32:21 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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To: gubamyster

Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Be Ever Vigilant!

Minutemen Patriots ~ Bump!


32 posted on 05/06/2005 10:04:51 AM PDT by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: bikepacker67
You nailed it. The GOP cheerleaders don't get it. This is big government at it's worst.

To use the gun-control analogy, terrorists and illegal aliens don't follow laws. They don't go to the DMV and try to get a driver's license.

33 posted on 05/06/2005 10:07:01 AM PDT by 12 Gauge Mossberg (I Approved This Posting - Paid For By Mossberg, Inc.)
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To: 12 Gauge Mossberg

Exactly. Congressional Republicans and the so-called "conservatives" who are cheering them on just don't get it....and I don't think they ever will.



34 posted on 05/06/2005 6:43:34 PM PDT by sheltonmac ("The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance." -John Philpot Curran)
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To: jackbenimble

Nothing in the US Constitution indicates that the founders agree with you. It is sad to see the republicans drop further towards leviathan state.


35 posted on 05/07/2005 6:08:56 PM PDT by The Shootist
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To: The Shootist
Nothing in the US Constitution indicates that the founders agree with you. It is sad to see the republicans drop further towards leviathan state.

The fundamental responsibility of the Federal Government defined in the Constitution is to protect the states from invasion. You may call 11 million illegals just people moving freely but I call it an invasion.

36 posted on 05/08/2005 6:09:44 AM PDT by jackbenimble (Import the third world, become the third world)
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