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Military Judge Rejects England's Plea Deal
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| May 4, 2005
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Posted on 05/04/2005 11:33:02 AM PDT by cweese
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To: Americanexpat
Those who left these people unsupervised are as guilty as the ones doing the deeds. And the people who took the pictures ought to be shot for shear stupidity.
Just my opinion...
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posted on
05/05/2005 6:17:33 AM PDT
by
DB
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To: DB
122
posted on
05/05/2005 6:40:28 AM PDT
by
Americanexpat
(A strong democracy through citizen oversight.)
To: AngieGOP
oh...so its her fault that there are America haters out there.
Give me a break, Rather and Kennedy would criticize anything and this unfortunate situation just happened to be more "glamorous." She's a PFC so please don't giver her too much credit for creating this controversy.
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posted on
05/05/2005 6:46:01 AM PDT
by
matymac
(Living in the Heart of the Beast...the People's Republic of Cambridge...)
To: Pondman88
they want to punish her with 160 years. Her commanding officer got 10 I believe.
To: matymac
"She's a PFC so please don't giver her too much credit for creating this controversy."
She may not have created the controversy, but she sure did have a hand in it (on a leash too). I'll bet those photos aired on Al Jazzera and in print in many Arabic publications too.
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posted on
05/05/2005 7:06:03 AM PDT
by
AngieGOP
(I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
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To: Pondman88
That she is facing more time potentially than a child molester or rapist is yet another example of how little justice there actually is in our society.
If she violated military protocol in regard to interrogation, dishonorably discharge her. But, she didn't do anything most of us wouldn't do to a terrorist or war criminal to get information to save a loved one's life.
It's just another example of how the ACLU-like mentality that favors criminals and terrorists more than it has a concern for protecting the innocent has infected even the military.
To: Rembrandt_fan
Would you force a terrorist to undress or lead one around on a leash if that is what it took to save a loved one's life?
To: Firstcav
You liberals need to understand that it is not the acts of the interrogation that gives motivation to the terrorists The acts committed by these idiots were not the acts of the interrogation. They were the acts of people mistakenly placed in a position of responsibility. By the way, do you also think the pictures discovered of Graner and England having sex at Abu Graib were part of the secret mission they claim to have been ordered to do?
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posted on
05/05/2005 11:03:22 AM PDT
by
USNBandit
(sarcasm engaged at all times)
To: kingsurfer
Sexual and physical abuse is unacceptable. But, in regard to England, the only thing I've heard that she was involved with was forcing those being interrogated to undress and leading a few around on a leash. If that's all she did, she shouldn't be facing jail time.
To: news2me
And I guess you don't remember that hundreds of these "ba$tard$" were released shortly after this broke in the news because they were just civilians who had been rounded up and sent to Abu Graib until they could be sorted out. If true, those involved were guilty of incompetence and deserving of a dishonorable discharge.
It's ridiculous, though, to put someone in jail for up to 10 years for being incompetent and humilating alleged terrorists and war criminals. She's facing more time in jail than real criminals like rapists and child molesters.
It shouldn't be a crime to humilate a POW. Physical or sexual abuse, yes, that is a crime. Using a dog leash and forcing them to strip naked? Absolutely not.
This is politically-correctness at its worst. Those making mistakes that are trying to defend the nation from evil are vilified as being worse than rapists and child molesters.
To: Ol' Sparky
Necessity drives. I would personally interrogate a terrorist with a blowtorch and pair of rusty pliers if time was short and lives were at stake--the lives of loved ones or innocent strangers alike. That wasn't the case with England and her cohorts. What they did had no interrogative value and no military purpose I could see. They acted without orders or sense. She and the others deserve whatever they get. They dishonored American soldiers everywhere and fueled the resistance of our enemies.
To: Rembrandt_fan
What they did had no interrogative value and no military purpose I could see That may be true. And if so, they are guilty of incompetence, not a crime worthy of jail time, let alone more jail time than a child molester or rapist.
In fact, what you would do to a terrorist may well constitute abuse worthy of jail time. I understand you how you feel that way. But, given that you do, how in the world can you support seeing this woman going to jail when he motive was to save American lives?
To: Ol' Sparky
Her motives, insofar as I can fathom, were simply based upon sadistic satisfaction. She and her buddies meted out abuse because they could. A psychologist could probably explain her deeper motivations, but I'm no psychologist. I just calls 'em as I sees 'em.
If I did torture a man to save lives--an extreme moral dilemma I doubt I will ever encounter, but one that I need to address in order to clarify the point I'm trying to make--then I would of course be subject to whatever laws I disregarded by committing the act. One may not be guilty of moral wrongdoing by doing the act I described, but one must also be ready to pay the legal consequences entailed by such an act. In a situation like that, it becomes a matter of 'rendering unto Caesar'.
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
You used the examples before of Hiroshima and Dresden; they are COMPLETELY different. Only in the minds of liberals.
The only people who got a good laugh were depraved S.O.B.'s. Well then you should be the only one rolling on the floor. Instead of the normal military folks and families who think it's funny as hell too.
Who are WE laughing at? In addition to the iraqi terrorists with panties on their heads, the american left who finally calls for 'sexual morality' and 'resisiting sexual abusers' but only when they can twist it to try and stain our military's reputation.
Go soak your head.
Wars are by nature of their execution immoral.
Get over it. Equating "panties to the head" and humiliation of a 'panty humor' nature with real atrocities and torture of military prisoners of war, is as sick as hanoi jane brodcasting from hanoi.
panties on the head, nude pile ups...are NOT torture and do not even come close to it. They are college fratboy pranks at the very worst. You apparently never were invited to join a frat. And I can see why.
blah blah blah to all your left winged whining about our soldiers committing such terrible acts... oh the horror!!!
the reason for going to war may be righteous, but the execution of a war plan ALWAYS kills innocents, displaces populations and accidently imprisons, tortures and interrogates the wrong folks at times... using means YOU panty waists won't approve of. EVER.
Tough.
Lyndie will walk. Get over it.
bye nutcakes.
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posted on
05/05/2005 12:48:07 PM PDT
by
Robert_Paulson2
(The Chinese and Saudis are our friends and allies!)
To: AngieGOP
Big deal...they also aired the beheading of hostages on those "networks"...
lets not judge our soldiers by what the looney left and the terrorist sympathizers react to.
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posted on
05/05/2005 1:09:26 PM PDT
by
matymac
(Living in the Heart of the Beast...the People's Republic of Cambridge...)
To: matymac
I have the utmost respect for our men and women in uniform. Lyndie England and her ilk think it is just play time. She is a disgrace to the uniform and should get a dishonorable discharge and time in prison.
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posted on
05/05/2005 1:14:31 PM PDT
by
AngieGOP
(I never met a woman who became a stripper because she played with Barbie dolls as a kid.)
To: Robert_Paulson2
You wrote, "They are college fratboy pranks at the very worst. You apparently never were invited to join a frat. And I can see why."
Don't know you, sport, but sense you've never worn the uniform. And I can see why.
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