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Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13
St. Petersburg Times ^ | 5/3/05 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/03/2005 7:33:22 AM PDT by areafiftyone

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THIS JUST IN:

Fla. Won't Appeal Abortion for 13 - Year - Old

"WEST PALM BEACH, Fla. (AP) -- A judge ruled that a 13-year-old girl at the center of an abortion fight with the state may terminate her pregnancy, and Gov. Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the state will not appeal further."

Juvenile Judge Ronald Alvarez ruled Monday that the teen, who has been in state custody for four years, would not be physically or emotionally harmed by the procedure. Last week, Alvarez blocked the girl's abortion until a psychological evaluation was completed.

''He ruled that she is competent, that she has made a decision and that she has a right to act on that decision,'' said Howard Simon, executive director of the Florida American Civil Liberties Union, which represented the girl.

It was unclear Tuesday whether the girl, 14 weeks pregnant and known only as L.G. in court papers, had yet undergone an abortion. Calls to the girl's attorneys seeking an update were not immediately returned.

State Department of Children & Families spokeswoman Marilyn Munoz said the agency would ''respectfully comply with the court's decision.'' She declined to provide further details.

''We are working for the best interest of the young girl,'' Munoz said.

The teen became pregnant after running away from the DCF shelter where she lives.

''It's a tragedy that a 13-year-old girl would be in a vulnerable position where she could be made pregnant and it's a tragedy that her baby will be lost,'' Bush said in Tallahassee.

The department had argued that the girl was too young and immature to decide for herself to have an abortion. The agency said state law prohibited the agency from consenting to the procedure.

The girl told the judge last week as part of the psychological evaluation process that she wanted an abortion, citing her age and no way to support a baby. The girl's ACLU attorneys argued that Florida law protects a minor's right to choose an abortion.

A measure is moving through the state Legislature to require notification of parents or guardians when girls seek abortion. In 2003, the Florida Supreme Court struck down a 1999 law requiring parents to be notified if their minor daughters seek an abortion.

62 posted on 05/03/2005 9:53:34 AM PDT by areafiftyone (Politicians Are Like Diapers, Both Need To Be Changed Often And For The Same Reason!)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Adoption is an excellent option. Unfortunately there is a huge stigma against adoption in this country. We need to change that attitude and there will be few abortions.

Too many women with unplanned pregnancies keep a baby they cannot properly mother instead of chosing adoption.


63 posted on 05/03/2005 10:01:13 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Uh oh, you said grey area. They aren't going to like you for that!


64 posted on 05/03/2005 10:02:01 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: TKDietz

I posted something very similar to this on another thread about this tragic situation. And got called Hillary and Jane Fonda and accused of wanting to punch pregnant women in the stomach till their babies died.

Watch out!


65 posted on 05/03/2005 10:04:38 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: Pyro7480; areafiftyone; roylene; Saundra Duffy

Something tells me the legally innocent person that was conceived in this 13 year old has already been executed by the state.


66 posted on 05/03/2005 10:05:35 AM PDT by anniegetyourgun
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To: yellowdoghunter

Many women will not place their babies for adoption and the children suffer.


67 posted on 05/03/2005 10:06:06 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: TKDietz
Why is it so hard to imagine how this became a court issue? The girl is a ward of the state. She's a minor and would need parental consent for such a procedure.

Not in Florida she wouldn't. No parental consent, no court substitution for consent, and the law that made it mandatory for a doctor to inform the parent was also struck down.

http://www.law.fsu.edu/library/flsupct/sc01-843/op-sc01-843.pdf

http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=301528

68 posted on 05/03/2005 10:07:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Supporting Abortion in the case of life of the mother is not hypocrisy because if their is no abortion both the mother and child die.


69 posted on 05/03/2005 10:08:39 AM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: Ciexyz

She'd be free to do it whether she delivers or not. Doubt that will change, unfortunately.


70 posted on 05/03/2005 10:09:24 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: ukie
The last Pope was truly pro-life--he opposed abortion, but he also opposed the death penalty and unjust wars. Catholic social services give help to the poor and sick (regardless of denomination). That is being PRO-LIFE. All life. Not just the occasional life.

The Death Penalty is PRO-Life because it stop murderers from murdering again.

And what unjust Wars?

If you are going to say the War in Iraq and Afghanistan are unjust then BRING IT ON!

71 posted on 05/03/2005 10:11:40 AM PDT by Evolution (Tolerance!? We don't need no stinking Tolerance ! ! !)
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To: ukie

You're comparing an innocent life to the evil lives of murderers? You're actually stating that being anti-capital punishment is on par with being pro-life? Please forward me the DU link, I'm not familiar with their other talking points.


72 posted on 05/03/2005 10:14:02 AM PDT by CSM ( If the government has taken your money, it has fulfilled its Social Security promises. (dufekin))
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To: All

I just read that the girl's mother, who lost HER to DFS, would raise the child if the girl has it.


73 posted on 05/03/2005 10:15:19 AM PDT by pa mom
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To: ukie

Maybe the kid isn't photogenic.


74 posted on 05/03/2005 10:17:04 AM PDT by GraniteStateConservative (...He had committed no crime against America so I did not bring him here...-- Worst.President.Ever.)
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To: areafiftyone

Why would the guardian know better than the child?
Next time my kid wants to eat dessert only, I'll just have to say, "Well, I guess a judge thinks YOU know better."

And when he grows older, and wants to stay out until 2:00 am, I'll just have to say, "The judges think you know better."

Of course, if a child can make such a huge, fundamental decision as to whether to kill another human being, they must be competent to determine their own diet, their own hours, their education, and their other behaviours.

These judges are idiots. Pure, unadulterated idiots.


75 posted on 05/03/2005 10:41:31 AM PDT by Recovering_Democrat (I'm so glad to no longer be associated with the Party of Dependence on Government!)
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To: BibChr
...but he ruled Monday that the teen would not be physically or emotionally harmed by the abortion.

Judge Ronald Alvarez is speaking from some kind of experience??? How dearly I would love ten minutes alone with the guy, let him know of the pure hell he is letting this girl into.

I have never so much as fleetingly regretted having kids. I'll go to my grave with regret for the two I didn't have. Statistically, I should live another 35 years or so...that's a whole lot of torment I have ahead of me.

Prayers for this poor girl. I know what's in store for her.

76 posted on 05/03/2005 10:50:43 AM PDT by grellis ("Unless, God forbid, there are two Placentas walking around"--FR demkicker)
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To: areafiftyone
...Gov. Jeb Bush said Tuesday that the state will not appeal further.

Here's hoping that Gov. Bush DOES do something in his power. That 13 year old was in a "state shelter", and obviously, if she's getting knocked up, she's not being properly sheltered. He needs to order an immediate investigation into whatever bozos are running this so-called "shelter", and some heads need to roll.

That's the only thing that will minimize the chances of this happening again. Fear of being kicked off the taxpayer-fueled trough might make some of these "shelterers" do a bit more sheltering.

77 posted on 05/03/2005 10:54:10 AM PDT by hunter112 (Total victory at home and in the Middle East!)
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To: Captain Peter Blood
there are no Black & White absolutes.

Fine. Take the emotion out of it. Take out the emotion, the religion, take out all of the "gray" and look at the cold, hard, scientific facts. An individual human life with unique DNA is going to be put to death. Grey areas are for liberals. There is right and there is wrong when it comes to abortion. There IS no gray.

78 posted on 05/03/2005 10:58:47 AM PDT by grellis ("Unless, God forbid, there are two Placentas walking around"--FR demkicker)
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To: hunter112

Jeb Bush DO something???

Excuse me while I laugh hysterically at the mere thought of that happening!


79 posted on 05/03/2005 11:01:34 AM PDT by Jrabbit
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To: Cboldt

Still then the reason a case like this would come to court is because that is what the law requires. The minor has to either show the court that she is mature enough to make the decision on her own or if not that the abortion would still be in her best interests. This isn't a case of a court acting on its own making up laws. It's a case of a court following the laws that were enacted by the legislature. I guess what I was really responding to were comments made by a few on this thread accusing this judge of being some sort of liberal activist judge. I don't know anything about the guy but he did appear to make comments suggesting that he had moral reservations about his decision but the law was clear so he did what he had to do. Boy I'd hate to be a judge in this day in age. People jump all over them if they don't follow the law and they jump all over them if they do follow the law.


80 posted on 05/03/2005 11:20:16 AM PDT by TKDietz
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