CAFTA: Last Nail in the Coffin?

The American Conservative ^ | May 9, 2005 Issue | Patrick J. Buchanan

[hedgetrimmer]

I don't like the taxpayer subsidizing "Free traders". How's that!

[hedgetrimmer]

Oh so you're the Berkeley student. Yet you accused me!

[Toddsterpatriot]

No wonder you have such a bizarre position on this matter. You're completely misinformed.

Surprisingly uninformed considering he's a math major.

[hedgetrimmer]

when the protectionist get together to vent

It looks to me like old home week for the "Free traders". 1rudeboy, toddsterpatriot,Dog Gone.. they're all here!

Must've hit a nerve or something to have them all suddenly pop in.

[Toddsterpatriot]

We smelled all the ignorant targets on the thread.

[hedgetrimmer]

Yes, the free traders can be counted on for civil rational discourse. Thanks. And thanks for bumping the thread.

[Toddsterpatriot]

Careful the OAS can hear you. Wacko.

[hedgetrimmer]

These guys bump the threads on "free trade" all the time. It helps to keep the topic on the top of the list. It helps us to get the facts out.

[hedgetrimmer]

Another bump. Thanks

[Toddsterpatriot]

Bump to all the math challenged with poor understanding of economics. This means you.

[Mase]

how does that translate into needing lots of state intervention?

How else are you going to implement your protectionist policies?

The constitutional government developed by our founders is the system that meets my standards

Again, where are all the lawsuits challenging the many unconstitutional actions you say have been promulgated by the free-traders?

It isn't our system that is the envy of the world, it is our wealth.

Sorry, not mutually exclusive.

I would definitely say the destruction of our industry is a tariff on the United States.

Are we producing more goods now than we were 10 years ago? 20 years ago? 30?

[Mase]

The farmers with their capital invested mainly in US land are hurting

More absurdity. I'd sure like to be hurting like them.

[Mase]

Oh so you're the Berkeley student. Yet you accused me!

I find it interesting that almost 30 years ago, hardened socialist professors there were promoting the same kind of paranoia and misinformation you are today.

Just thought you might have stayed for the full 4 year indoctrination.

[Mase]

It helps us to get the facts out.

Apparently not before they go through your spin cycle.

[hedgetrimmer]

I find it interesting that almost 30 years ago, hardened socialist professors there were promoting the same kind of paranoia and misinformation you are today.

Socialists love free trade. I can tell you right now that the most favored candidate to run the WTO is a french socialist Pascal Lamy. If socialists hate "Free trade" so much, why to they run the WTO and the EU? Nothing you say has any basis in the facts.

[hedgetrimmer]

Sorry, you are the one trying to twist the words that more indivual rights mean less government.

[hedgetrimmer]

More absurdity. I'd sure like to be hurting like them.

So you want a trade minister to tell you you can't produce as much food as you have capacity for because the United States is being forced to import products from third world countries in the agreement?

And you want to have enviromental groups force large chunks of your land out of production because of easements? And you want to have your private water wells metered and pay tax for using your own water? And you want to have your production costs skyrocket because you have to file a plan if you only even INTEND to irrigate your land? I think you are not really clear what is going on in agriculture in this country.

[hedgetrimmer]

Oh, you've changed your tagline.

[raybbr]

Can you identify however, any system in the world today that meets your high standards? Fact is, our system is still the envy of the world.

Can you identify any case where free trade exists and benefits everyone involved?

Free trade, as the globalists see it, does not and has not ever existed. It is a theory. One that has never been tested or proved. Yet, according to super-capitalists like yourself, we are to believe it will work and we all will benefit.

Sort of like, "The rising tide lifts all boats"? What you all fail to mention is that if the tide is rising here it's lowering somewhere else. Conversely, if it is rising in South America it is lowering here.

It's sad that super-capitalists think that whipping a little capitalism on every problem is the answer.

We live in a society. Not a market. We have a market economy. Our society, however, is suppoesed to have morals and take into account all the weaknesses of humanity. Capitalism preys on those weaknesses just like communism does.