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CAFTA: Last Nail in the Coffin?
The American Conservative ^ | May 9, 2005 Issue | Patrick J. Buchanan

Posted on 05/01/2005 9:40:04 AM PDT by A. Pole

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1 posted on 05/01/2005 9:40:06 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; Jhoffa_; FITZ; arete; FreedomPoster; Red Jones; Pyro7480; ...
But CAFTA will enable agribusiness and transnational companies to set up shop in Central America to dump into the U.S. and drive our last family farmers out of business and kill our last manufacturing jobs in textile and apparel.

What is little know fact US/transnational companies are driving millions of Mexican farmers out of their villages. This displaced people flood Mexican/US cities and bring displacing pressure on millions of Mexican city workers.

2 posted on 05/01/2005 9:43:23 AM PDT by A. Pole (Proverbs 26:11: "As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.")
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With Chrysler now a German company

Yeah Pat, by a company from whose car you used to drive, Mercedes-Benz.

Anyway, more sky is fallling rhetoric from the liberals favorite conservative, pat buchanan.

3 posted on 05/01/2005 9:44:58 AM PDT by Dane ( anyone who believes hillary would do something to stop illegal immigration is believing gibberish)
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To: A. Pole

how are they driving them out... I don't doubt you just don't know what you are referencing..


4 posted on 05/01/2005 9:45:47 AM PDT by ARA
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To: A. Pole
GM and Ford down to less than half the U.S. auto market

FYI, the author drives a mercedes and GM's new cars are a joke.

GM always had crappy minivans with the Honda Odessey and Chryslers being the best. Their new minivan is a new design that still does not measure up to the old honda's and chryslers.

The Aveo is a tin can better to be exported to somewhere else or to sell to car rental companies offering 19.95 per day. The cobalt is a good car at a good price buy why put a rear spoiler on an inexpensive reliable car that you would rather have other people NOT notice you are driving.

Only the old pontiac vibe (toyota matrix in disguise) and the buick rendezvous (not state of the art but made in mexico and a good value for what you get) are priced appropriately.

5 posted on 05/01/2005 9:49:06 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: A. Pole

The main feature of CAFTA is the elimination of tariffs on US exports, something which is clearly in our interest. But there's not much point in using logic or facts with protectionists.


6 posted on 05/01/2005 9:51:57 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Dog Gone; All

I did not know that.. Thanks for the info!


7 posted on 05/01/2005 10:00:35 AM PDT by KevinDavis (Let the meek inherit the Earth, the rest of us will explore the stars!)
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To: A. Pole
What is little know fact US/transnational companies are driving millions of Mexican farmers out of their villages. This displaced people flood Mexican/US cities and bring displacing pressure on millions of Mexican city workers.

Very disturbing on several different levels. Are we exporting raw materials to China, so they can produce high end products to export back to us? I haven't kept up with trade deficts in quite a while, so I'm shocked by the numbers.

8 posted on 05/01/2005 10:03:46 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (Free Mexico!)
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To: ARA
how are they driving them out...

Mexican farmers or peasants before free trade made modest living by selling their products while being protected by tariffs. Now they cannot compete with industrial agrobusiness.

I don't doubt you just don't know what you are referencing..

It is impressive how little doubts if any the freetraders have.

9 posted on 05/01/2005 10:06:16 AM PDT by A. Pole (Proverbs 26:11: "As a dog returneth to his vomit, so a fool returneth to his folly.")
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Mexican farmers or peasants before free trade made modest living by selling their products while being protected by tariffs. Now they cannot compete with [American] industrial agrobusiness.

Rock on, ADM. Rock on, Cargill.

10 posted on 05/01/2005 10:09:02 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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The "Free Traders" are down to dogma and charges of heresy, they are the Jesse Jackson's of the economic sphere. The driver of our new paradigm economy is vendor financing of our purchases, think Lucent and the dot-coms. For the most part this dogmatic adherence to free trade is promulgated by think tank whores and the salesmen for multi-nationals and to each their day is coming. By their logic I could H1-B them out of a job, if they can outsource the tech industry they can outsource the fools who brought this about.


11 posted on 05/01/2005 10:10:10 AM PDT by junta ("Racism" a word invented so as to allow morons access to the political debate.)
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To: junta; A. Pole
The "Free Traders" are down to dogma and charges of heresy, they are the Jesse Jackson's of the economic sphere. The driver of our new paradigm economy is vendor financing of our purchases, think Lucent and the dot-coms. For the most part this dogmatic adherence to free trade is promulgated by think tank whores and the salesmen for multi-nationals and to each their day is coming. By their logic I could H1-B them out of a job, if they can outsource the tech industry they can outsource the fools who brought this about.

I remember a quote from another forum I'm on, Audio Karma, an old radio/TV forum (I'm a radio geek/ham radio operator) where it went something like this, "we used to make money by making things, now we make money on money, something is wrong with that." I'd like to ask a lot of these think tank people if they had times where they were out of work, worrying about where the money is coming from to pay the bills and so on. They need to come down to the frontlines where the battle is being fought. My aunt used to say, "every dog has his day." Personally, I think these guys are just as bad as the lefty think tankers, both live in isolation of the real world.
14 posted on 05/01/2005 10:26:14 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (Lutheran, Conservative, Neo-Victorian/Edwardian, Michael Savage in '08! - Any Questions?)
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Good post. That being said, a great many people here will ignore or ridicule it. I think they fail to grasp the possibility that a great many voters are dissatisfied with the consequences of free traitin'.
16 posted on 05/01/2005 10:29:46 AM PDT by neutrino (Globalization “is the economic treason that dare not speak its name.” (173))
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That being said, a great many people here will ignore or ridicule it.

I believe "ridicule" is more accurate.

17 posted on 05/01/2005 10:32:17 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: Dog Gone

What?????

Lets talk facts then....did you know the whole Central American Market is less than that of Connecticut?? Yeah that's such a lucrative market for our products....

The only thing CAFTA does is allow our companies to leave the US and manufacture in Central America without any penalty.

Wake up people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Look at our trade deficit and its exponential growth...this can't go on forever.


18 posted on 05/01/2005 10:45:16 AM PDT by teg_76
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Mexican farmers or peasants before free trade made modest living by selling their products while being protected by tariffs. Now they cannot compete with industrial agrobusiness.

While I am touched by your concern for Mexican peasants, please consider that, according to the Office of the U.S. Trade Representative:

In 1993, before NAFTA, American exporters who wanted to sell to Mexico faced trade barriers of about 10 percent, nearly five times the 2 percent rate that the United States. imposed on Mexican goods. With NAFTA, Mexico's average tariff has already fallen to about 2 percent, creating more export opportunities for American farmers.

--Two-way trade between the United States and Mexico increased more than 55 percent since 1994, reaching more than $11.6 billion.

--Record levels of exports to Mexico in 2000 include red meats, processed fruits and vegetables, poultry meat, snack foods, fresh fruits, feeds and fodder and rice. This broad cross section of commodities suggests the benefits of the NAFTA are widely distributed across United States agriculture.

--U.S. pork producers credit NAFTA with their gains in market share in Mexico for pork products, which increased 130 percent between 1994 and 2000.

From 1993-2000:

--U.S. soybean volume exports doubled to Mexico.

--U.S. beef and veal volume exports increased nearly five-fold to Mexico.

--U.S. corn volume exports increased eighteen-fold to Mexico. Mexico chose to expedite its market openings for corn under NAFTA, to provide lower cost food to its increasingly urban population and to ensure it had sufficient animal feed.


19 posted on 05/01/2005 10:51:01 AM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Anyway, more sky is fallling rhetoric from the liberals favorite conservative, pat buchanan.

It must really irk you that he has been mostly correct about the affects of this phoney "free trade" nonsense over the years and you have been completly wrong. LOL.

20 posted on 05/01/2005 10:55:50 AM PDT by eskimo
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