Posted on 05/01/2005 7:21:19 AM PDT by madprof98
But as conservatives we don't want the government intruding in our lives, certainly not telling us what we can do with our children.
Do we want to go down that road?
That is only an absolute principle to the lunatic libertarians. More frequently, conservatives would say that the government can and must stop parents from killing their children . . . or abusing and endangering them, for that matter. If we reject that idea, then we end up with some ludicrous concept of privacy that holds that it makes sense to starve people to death in order to protect their privacy rights.
Hmmm ... wasn't there a nice legal argument about a woman being under the age of consent not being ABLE to give consent for sex?
If she cannot consent to having sex what the hell makes them think she is capable of exercising proper judgement enough to medically murder her child ?
Conservatives believe in limited government, don't give me the libertarian line. We would scream bloody murder (literally) if someone took a girl across state lines to have an abortion against her parent's wishes. But we will fight to go against the parent's wishes if we don't agree with them? That's baloney. You can't have it both ways.
Since when do conservatives expect the government to solve their problems?
So who was planning to pay for the scheduled abortion? I didn't know that they did such procedures for free.
Of course we will . . . unless we think (as I'm sure you do) that killing babies in the womb is no big deal.
C'mon, you are using inflamatory rhetoric. Do you want to engage in debate or are you just a knee-jerk reactionary? It's too bad I have to make dinner, I was really hoping to go kill some babies!
The social and political ramifications of an even more activist judiciary (especially without either side against it anymore) and an intrusive federal government will harm lives, too. Or don't you care about people after they are born?
Cliche right out of Jane Fonda!
Now, listen carefully: I believe that there are moral absolutes. Not killing the innocent is one such absolute. Parental rights? A good thing, but NOT absolute. Clear to you now?
Good post, its ironic with all of our sociologists and anthropoligists as a society we can't figure out how incentives work. If you create a 'social saftey net'.. you create more single mothers for example.
Another example is in healthcare. The government only provides the care for free, if you are broke. So its another disincentive to saving money. Then we wonder why we have a very low savings rate!
Us conservatives get a bad name for being hardline on not giving out benefits. People think we are being greedy, when in reality we don't want the situations to happen in the first place. And like you are saying its gone on so long now, that it would probably take a generation to fix. Because the culture of the nation adapts to the circumstances. Single mothers used to have a huge stigma, but that stigma is dying. Precicely because it is now not such a bad thing financially to be a single mother..
She will not spend the rest of her life wondering what her child's smile looked like.
This is exactly the bias against adoption I mentioned. How can a 13 year old raise a child?
Okay, as long as we save all the babies, the rest of the world can go to hell.
I guess you are not interested in communication or discussion.
You will never ever change hearts and minds with this knee jerk reaction. Calling out liberal slurs only makes you look ridiculous.
We need to change people's hearts about adoption. We need to show poor women they have a future beyond motherhood at 16. We need to somehow, someway make them see that education is the way to improve their lives. We need to care about the lives the babies we save have. Pro life should include all of this. People like you don't give a damn what happens after the babies are born.
You know, I did give you an argument, as clearly as I possibly could. (You'd never believe it, but I've won awards for teaching the "hard to reach.") Thing is, you don't care. You just want to feel good about believing it's OK to do something really, really bad. Quite frankly, it is NOT possible to "change hearts and minds" of people who think parental rights are absolute but baby-killing is a gray area--and who really have nothing to offer in support of that view except mindless slogans from Planned Parenthood. All you can do is pray for them.
I hate abortion. I wish it never happened. But I see moms with 6 kids from 4 dads. I see kids growing up with no hope no future and no one giving a darn. I deal with people who are so against adoption that they would rather a baby stay with an abusive mother. In a perfect world, all babies would be wanted. They aren't. They are abused by stepfathers because they are inconvenient. They are killed because they cry and they were never wanted in the first place. This breaks my heart. How does it not touch you?
I am not arguing FOR abortions. I want people to start working to improve the future for those who are coming into this world. So many in the pro-life movement have such hatred towards sinners they cannot have compassion towards the fruits of that sin after it is born.
Change minds and eventually we will not have abortions.
Must be 'cause my heart is made of stone. (That IS what you wanted to hear, Hillary, isn't it?)
I'm not going to be cowed by you and your insults. If that is the only way you know how to debate, so be it.
Go debate with a real stone. It will fill you with all the new information your leftish mind is inclined to absorb.
Adoption is a fine solution.
It is WONDERFUL!!! I am a huge supporter of adoption. The problem is, it is still a stigma in many communities. Far more women keep their unwanted babies than give them a new life with adoption.
Until that changes, unintended babies will not live the best lives they can.
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