Evolution debate turns into debate over intelligent design [farcical "debate" approaching]

Kansas City Star ^ | 30 April 2005 | JOHN HANNA

[PatrickHenry]

Bold and underlining added by me. Plus occasional bracketted comments. Everyone be nice.

[PatrickHenry]

EvolutionPing

A pro-evolution science list with over 260 names. See the list's description at my freeper homepage. Then FReepmail to be added or dropped.

[PatrickHenry]

The article mentions the so-called Cambrian explosion. Here are some links on that from The List-O-Links:
The Cambrian Period. The "explosion" was over 50 million years long.
THE EARLIEST LIFE. There are numerous ancestral Precambrian fossils.
The Precambrian Fossil Record. A Precambrian Time Line.

[Arkie2]

It's survival of the fittest! May science win out over theocracy.

[olde north church]

I've said it before and I'll say it again. ID is nothing more than the Golden Calf of this age. Something to "see", a crutch for "faith".
Isn't there a proverb, "Man can prove anything but is God convinced?"

[Dog Gone]

It took hundreds of years for the religious powers to accept the fact that the earth was not the center of the universe. They now have and religion hasn't gone extinct.

It hasn't been all that long ago that evolution laid out a scientific alternative to long-standing religious beliefs about our origins. I suspect the religions will eventually come to grasps with that, too.

Between now and then, the spirited battles will continue.

[Arkie2]

ID is creationism with a new title and different clothes. It's still the same old thing though. The Earth is round and it wasn't created in 7 days.

[wyattearp]

National and state science groups are boycotting, viewing the hearings as rigged against evolution.

Typical creationist bending of the truth. They were boycotting, but have since changed their minds (as of ten days ago).

(Scientists attending May 12-14th)

[elbucko]

ID is nothing more than the Golden Calf of this age.

Well put. I agree.

[Mind-numbed Robot]

It is folly for evolutionists and intelligent designers to deny the validity of the other. However, Evolution + ID = Creationism. Proof?? To seek it is itself folly.

We should learn all we can, knowing in advance that we will eventually hit a wall that can't be breached.

Those insisting on evolution as the only answer, while refusing to hear any other explanation, are simply anti-God liberals trying to negate anything remotely suggestive of God.

[Lakeshark]

Darwin said it

I believe it

That settles it.

You just have to love the open minds of you "scientists" and objective thinkers...../sarcasm

[DoctorMichael]

".......When Bill Harris examines a bacterium's whip-like tail, he sees a food-finding, poison-avoiding machine the likes of which man can't build........."

............YET. (See 'Nanotechnology' which is a product of the 'Scientific Method' which, in turn, is a product of 'Western Civilization', the same as 'Evolution')

[bondserv]

Those insisting on evolution as the only answer, while refusing to hear any other explanation, are simply anti-God liberals trying to negate anything remotely suggestive of God.

[VadeRetro]

Another point on the Cambrian: we're finding that the species of the Cambrian "Explosion" had "deep roots and tiny prototypes." Maddeningly, even the evos responding to creationist/ID misstatements often don't know about the latest finds.

[bondserv]

When nature organizes your garage for you, come talk to me.

[general_re]

Something to "see", a crutch for "faith".

Quite so. If one can "prove" the existence of God, what does one need faith for?

[Mind-numbed Robot]

...the claptrap of Creationism...

Just as "All roads lead to Rome" one must eventually arrive at creationism. Otherwise, there is always something "out there" beyond the present proof. There is the unending "Well then, what caused that?", no matter where you end up.

The logical answer will always be, if you care to deal in logic, something must have created it or the wimp-out of agnosticism. Then the "something" becomes the focus and will never be proved for the foregoing reasons.

To label any theory, and that is what evolution is, a theory, not a fact, "Claptrap" labels you and limits the respect for your ideas.

[DoctorMichael]

A garage is not a biological system.

Try to stay on the topic.

[Felis_irritable]

"What kind of designer has been around 4 billion years..."

Well, the "designer" I'm thinking of has been around longer than 4 billion years. These guys never want to step up to the plate and swing at the question "What existed before the big bang?" as far as I've seen, because the question by definition cannot have a testable answer. Or maybe they are such stubborn atheists.

I have no difficulty squaring the existence of a higher power with evolution. There's *something* out there.