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Pilot, plane missing in Lake Michigan (Prayers requested)
Milwaukee-Journal Sentinel ^ | 4/26/05 | Associated Press

Posted on 04/26/2005 7:11:36 PM PDT by Jean S

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To: Ramius

Sorry - very emotional time. Read your first comment and overeacted immediately. Please accept my apology for my gut instict. Please, all, don't trash the pilot. He made mistakes, and his family is suffering. They very much appreciate your prayers at this very sad time.


121 posted on 04/28/2005 6:25:54 PM PDT by jonathanfriend
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To: jonathanfriend

No worries. Prayers up for you and yours in this difficult time.


122 posted on 04/28/2005 6:32:59 PM PDT by Ramius
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To: Ramius
I am a former Maranatha student who happen also to be apilot and a good friend of Leber--"Ace." We flew together many times, and I know we have eachothers signatures in our log books. I can only imagine the hurt caused by some of these comments to any of Jon's friends and loved ones. Mistake or not, reaction or not, for anyone who didn't know Jon to make such damaging and immature comments is foolish. To Shimar Baily and Todd Moss his good friends I offer my deepest sympathies.
123 posted on 04/28/2005 8:58:51 PM PDT by jonathanM
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To: jonathanM

I don't get it. A good friend dies and you immediately sign up on a website and find the thread where they're comment on his death? Weird.


124 posted on 04/28/2005 10:10:33 PM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Malvone = MMK)
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To: ClintonBeGone

Good catch, ClintonBeGone. This may be the most recent incarnation of the infamous "death troll" (Poohbah coined the term), that periodically signs up on FR for a thread about someone's tragic death, pretends to be a close friend or relative, uses guilt to evoke the deepest sympathy and tries to see how many posters he can suck in. Typically, to prove his bonafides, he'll google up as much information as he can find on the victim and sprinkle it throughout his posts. I think the last time the death troll struck was on the thread about the death of a base jumper who died parachuting off of a tall radio tower.

--Boot Hill


125 posted on 04/29/2005 1:37:11 AM PDT by Boot Hill ("...and Joshua went unto him and said: art thou for us, or for our adversaries?")
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To: Boot Hill; jonathanM
Good catch, ClintonBeGone. This may be the most recent incarnation of the infamous "death troll" (Poohbah coined the term),

LOL I had no idea that such a person existed. Pretty sick isn't it?

126 posted on 04/29/2005 6:22:48 AM PDT by ClintonBeGone (Malvone = MMK)
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To: expatpat
Reminds me of the old advice about a forced landing at night:"When you're down to about 100ft, turn on the landing light. If you don't like what you see, turn it off again".

That's one of the reasons I try to avoid flying single engine at night, especially over the mountains (not many large bodies of water here in Arizona). I really don't want to have that joke come to mind when I'm engine out at 100' in the dark. DOH!! Talk about a Homer Simpson moment.

Usually when you have to ditch you never even make it out of the airplane before it sinks. Your sage advice reminds of some more good (?) advice when having to ditch far from shore - "save yourself and everyone else a lot of time and grief and just swim straight for the bottom."

Prayers for this kid, he made a terrible lapse in judgement and paid dearly for it.

127 posted on 04/29/2005 8:04:39 AM PDT by CarryaBigStick
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To: Howlin

LUMB, That's a good one.


128 posted on 04/29/2005 8:14:21 AM PDT by CarryaBigStick
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To: Ramius

No one deserves to die. I'm guessing from your statement that you have never made a mistake in your entire life. God has appointed a time to live and a time to die. It was Jonathan's time to go whether he would have made a mistake or not the Lord decided to take him on that day.


129 posted on 04/30/2005 10:03:55 AM PDT by risitina
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To: JeanS

I am a 21 year old pilot and have had my private pilot's license since I was 17. I first learned to fly in northwest Indiana. I know how dangerous flying over Lake Michigan can be. However, Federal Aviation Regulations (FAR's) state that:

A life preserver or a floatation device is required:
to be worn by the pilot and to be available for each passenger beyond gliding distance from land or beyond 50 nm from land, whichever is less.

Did he have this aboard the aircraft?

In addition to that, another FAR states that if you are flying on Visual Flight Rules (VFR), which he was, then you must have AT LEAST 30 minutes of fuel on board if flying during the day and at least 45 minutes of fuel by night. If this FAR was followed properly this accident could have been prevented.

Lastly, there are devices aboard all aircraft called an emergency locator transmitter (ELT) that sounds off and sends a signal when the aircraft impacts something. Did this not go off? If it did, how come nobody could find this young man or his plane?

We all are human and subject to error. With aviation especially, it is very easy to make a fatal mistake. It truly is a shame something that was so preventable had to end in tragedy.


130 posted on 04/30/2005 4:11:56 PM PDT by JamisonFrench
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To: JeanS

Incoming!


131 posted on 04/30/2005 4:13:59 PM PDT by JOE43270 (JOE43270 America voted and said we are One Nation Under God with Liberty and Justice for All.)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs

Denver didn't do a proper pre flight. He had plenty of gas in his auxillary tank. He purchased the plane used, and was too arrogant to preflight and read the directions on how to switch tanks. When he reached around his shoulder to switch the lever for the aux tank, he simultaneously pressed his right foot to the rudder and performed a figure 9 into eternity.

As for the young minister of the gospel...
"It is better to die for something, than to live for nothing."

"Bob Jones"


132 posted on 05/18/2005 8:48:29 AM PDT by larro
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