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Baseball, Civil War and all that jazz
dowagiacnew ^ | 21-april-2005 | JOHN EBY

Posted on 04/22/2005 8:51:47 PM PDT by stainlessbanner

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Did I forget the barf alert?
1 posted on 04/22/2005 8:51:49 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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Before the bashers and smashers get here, I'll just say: these productions are landmark pieces in american television and contribute a lot of interest in american history. They are creatively done and interesting to watch.


2 posted on 04/22/2005 8:55:00 PM PDT by bigsigh
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To: stainlessbanner

Don't forget the Old Negro Space Program

3 posted on 04/22/2005 8:56:38 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Chat is my milieu)
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To: stainlessbanner; bigsigh
in many ways "I have made the same film over and over again."

Yes, it's called, "Bad White People."

There's a lot to like about Burns's films, but he can be Johnny One-Note on the race angle.

4 posted on 04/22/2005 8:59:08 PM PDT by Charles Henrickson (History buff)
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To: bigsigh
I'll just say: these productions are landmark pieces in american television and contribute a lot of interest in american history. They are creatively done and interesting to watch.

Yes, they were well done, especially the baseball series. I'm looking forward to Ken Burns doing a new documentary about baseball teams not located in New York City and Boston.

5 posted on 04/22/2005 9:06:08 PM PDT by Numbers Guy
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Ponderous, more than a little pompous, and absolutely obsessed with both race and the Northeast. About what is to be expected from PureBS.

Other than that, halfway reasonable documentaries. Parts of ''Jazz'' were actually informative. ''The Civil War'' was an embarrassment to any marginally honest historian, a multi-episode bleat of unadulterated PC and post-modern revisionism.

If this is the state, indeed the paradigm, of documentary these days, who needs it? Propaganda by any other name would (fill in your favourite blank here).

6 posted on 04/22/2005 9:13:54 PM PDT by SAJ
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(wups, forgot to mention...)

Flame suit ON!

7 posted on 04/22/2005 9:14:47 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: SAJ; Charles Henrickson; Numbers Guy; martin_fierro

I'm really looking forward to the new 6 hour Ken Burn's special on 19th century silverware


8 posted on 04/22/2005 9:17:08 PM PDT by stainlessbanner
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To: stainlessbanner

Regardless of what one thinks of his biases and faults, Burns inspired a resurgence in the study of history.


9 posted on 04/22/2005 9:24:05 PM PDT by flying Elvis
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the new 6 hour Ken Burn's special on 19th century silverware

...with Doris Kearns Goodwin holding forth as an Expert Thereon.

10 posted on 04/22/2005 9:39:56 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Chat is my milieu)
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Doubtless, he will prove beyond any shadow of a doubt that Revere, Hester Bateman, Farrell, DeLamarie, Storr, Goyenne and other silversmiths of the 18th and 19th centuries stole their designs from assorted African tribes, and their fame is a matter of theft as opposed to their own skills.

I rather expect to see such a programme heavily peppered with ''commentary'' from his usual crowd of professional race-baiters. (can we say ''no-brainer'' on this notion?)

11 posted on 04/22/2005 9:44:44 PM PDT by SAJ
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Not unless DKG can find a source from which to ''borrow'' (cough, choke).


12 posted on 04/22/2005 9:48:37 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: stainlessbanner

Burns did his best stuff when Gracie was still alive...







:o)


13 posted on 04/22/2005 9:51:36 PM PDT by Liberty Valance (Let the Constitution do the talkin')
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To: Liberty Valance

ROFL!! Great shot!


14 posted on 04/22/2005 9:52:17 PM PDT by SAJ
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To: martin_fierro

That was TOO MUCH!


15 posted on 04/22/2005 9:52:41 PM PDT by aroostook war (What's the WORST house on campus?)
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To: stainlessbanner

The Civil War was truly great television. It offered historical photographs, a great musical score, and it introduced historians like David McCullough and Shelby Foote to a mass audience. I love the game of baseball, but I found Burn's series unwatchable, it was simply too undisciplined a presentation. After that, I did not have the stomach for his take on jazz. But the elements he brought to the screen in the Civil War were very powerful.


16 posted on 04/22/2005 9:59:09 PM PDT by Biblebelter
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To: flying Elvis
Regardless of what one thinks of his biases and faults, Burns inspired a resurgence in the study of history.

Agreed. There are a lot of criticisms one can make of Burns, but on the whole his influence has been benign and positive. A lot of people have come to take an interest in American history because of Burns, and that's a good thing.

Of course Ken does carry victim-history too far, but so do a lot of his critics. They just choose different victims to cry about. I doubt their version of history as victimization is any better or truer than his, and shudder to think of what kind of documentary our latter-day Confederates would shovel together.

17 posted on 04/22/2005 11:52:37 PM PDT by x
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To: Biblebelter
My husband has a volume in his Civil War bookshelf on "Historian's Responses to Ken Burns' Civil War".

It's really distressing to read some of the comments therein fron "scholars" who rip him for not being P.C. enough.

18 posted on 04/23/2005 5:10:31 AM PDT by Charlotte Corday (Freedom’s like ice-cream—can’t go wrong with it.)
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To: Charles Henrickson

I didn't get the impression that there was overemphasis on race in Baseball and the Civil War. I thought the time and mentions were appropriate. I don't know how you do a history of Jaxx without a lot of racial references and starting back to the africans coming her and making mkusic on the plantations.


19 posted on 04/23/2005 9:49:51 AM PDT by bigsigh
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To: bigsigh

or Jazz and music for that matter. : )


20 posted on 04/23/2005 9:50:14 AM PDT by bigsigh
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