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Disabled fear Schiavo death may hasten euthanasia
Florida Baptist Witness ^ | April 21, 2005 | TOM STRODE

Posted on 04/22/2005 10:18:32 AM PDT by amdgmary

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To: freepertoo

Great post!

That generation will be sorely missed as one of the greatest IMHO. They went through wars, depression, and did it honorably with the great American values still intact.

Look at what we face today - euthanasia promotion (beginning of selective cleansings), removal of God from all aspects of American life, child molestations/rape/murder, mistreatments. Pornography, drugs, depravity being forced down the throats of the young.

We should be very ashamed of what this generation is up to.


101 posted on 04/23/2005 9:28:50 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: sodpoodle

That judge committed murder. You do not remove a feeding tube without offering food by mouth. To not do so, means you have chosen to starve that person and deny them food.

Same as locking a child in a cage and not feeding or providing water - murder.

And, based on not offering her food by mouth, he should be impeaced and removed from the bench.

We won't allow a U.N. ambassador to slam the phone down on a foreign dignitary but we allow a U.S. county judge to willfully kill a woman.

Another case of wrong is right, right is wrong - and a sign of the end times.


102 posted on 04/23/2005 9:32:07 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: ClancyJ

By forbidding ANY food or water, not just ordering the gastrotomy tube removed, Greer, a probate judge, issued an order to execute Terri. He isn't supposed to have that authority under state law and Jeb was told that by many yet he decided to stand aside and allow a probate judge to order the execution of Terri. Shameful, at the very least; the governor is unfit for leadership just as much as Greer is fit only for impeachement and removal.


103 posted on 04/23/2005 9:37:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: amdgmary

They'd have to get past me first!!


104 posted on 04/23/2005 9:38:53 AM PDT by cubreporter
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To: Saundra Duffy

When my father was sick, they said he would not really recover (bad prognosis). They asked what nursing home I wished. They advised he had to be moved out by Fri. I had not located one that quick and told them he still needed to be hospitalized, but Fri - they sent him to a nursing home of their choosing.

When completing the entrance forms, I did not like the wording of the "living will" because it gave them too much right of death. I said, that before any action, I wanted discussion with doctors and family to make any decisions, so we adjusted.

Yet, the very next day my dad died and I cannot help but believe that he should have had oxygen administered and they forgot or failed to order it for him. It haunts me that I did not think to check on his orders. He was in the room with a man getting oxygen and how horrible if he was denied it.

Also, to show how cold they were, they called me in the middle of the night to let me know he died and immediately wanted to know what to do with the body. I could not even think so said I would call them back. In 10 minutes, they again called and demanded an answer as to what to do with the body.

Absolutely despicable behavior.


105 posted on 04/23/2005 9:40:39 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: floriduh voter

No, you are wrong. Any politician has to weigh their actions seriously. What is the point of taking action and inciting more damage than good, when that action will not succeed.

Anything Bush had done would have been overturned as was shown by the Supreme Courts actions. The laws the legislators put into place insured that his efforts would fail. He cannot ignore the laws the legislators enacted no matter how much he disagrees with them.

Also, the state's rights issues come into play. If the federal government had overturned Florida law, it would mean every other case in any state could be overturned by the federal government based on the majority opinion.

As explained to me by another FR - why should all states be under the opinions generated by the more population centers such as Florida, California, New York. Majority could easily overtake Kansas decisions.

This is why abortion has had such a horrendous affect on government - a federal law that overrode an individual state's right to choose where it stood. Now the whole U.S. is trapped under abortion and all political manueverings hinge on the abortion issue.

It was a simple polite explanation of why some disagreed with the federal government getting involved with Terri's case. And, it made great sense although it would have been nice to save Terri and I wish they had. But, I then understood some hesitation expressed by others.


106 posted on 04/23/2005 9:58:17 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: ClancyJ

The bottom line is that Terri was murdered via judicial homicide. Can't get around that. Leaders don't bow to lawless judges.


107 posted on 04/23/2005 10:02:24 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: floriduh voter

I agree definitely about Greer - but you are wrong about the Bush boys.

We have been blessed with them in power but they are not supermen. Did you want Gov. Bush impeached? George Bush impeached?

Just what reaction do you think they would have gotten AND it would have come down to the Supreme Court over-ruling them. Do you want that?

Anyway - the offices of president and governor did the best they could do. I wish they could have flown in and swooped Terri up as much as you do. But, the end result would have been a more firm decision stating that they were powerless and the law stood.

Don't worry, they hate this decision as much as we do and they will do all they can to get such situations prevented because one is a Catholic and one a Christian and neither believe in the actions that killed Terri.

We have seen Pres. Bush uphold his faith, and Gov. Bush is the same as we saw when he fought so hard for Terri's law.
They haven't changed.


108 posted on 04/23/2005 10:06:23 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: MHGinTN

Why in heck did he not do anything about it then? Just cannot understand that. There had to be a strong reason because we know and have seen how hard he fought for Terri earlier when he did not have to.


109 posted on 04/23/2005 10:08:20 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: ClancyJ
Jeb hid in his office and would not meet with Alan Keyes but he met with Jesse Jackson and then Jesse got up to speed that Terri was going to be martyred. Jesse said on CNN "Terri's death will save thousands of lives." Jeb said he was not running for President so that's like when Hitlery says it. They don't really mean that they aren't running.

There was no reason for Terri to be murdered except the death lobby is so entrenched with Tallahassee and the inability of the governor to convince some of the nine GOP senators who voted against Terri to vote to save her life. Jeb failed with his own GOP legislators or did he even try to talk to them? I believe he hid in his office from everyone.

The US Congress unfortunately trusted the courts which was their huge mistake when they sent their signed docs back to Florida. Many mistakes were made and Terri paid with her life. She suffered a horrible death.

But, I'm back to Greer bashing now which ties in with your last post.

A lawless judge tells the United States to stuff it.

110 posted on 04/23/2005 10:17:53 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: floriduh voter

I'll help all I can on Greer bashing - I want him impeached. We don't need judges that commit murder with their decrees.

He should have allowed Terri to be offered food and water by mouth - to not do so, means he condemned a non-dying woman to death - murder.

We also need the names of the Senators that voted "no" to aiding Terri. They might as well get a little exposure to their votes. Maybe we need to investigate who they are tied in with also - the public might need to know. We need the dems as well as the gop because they are just as guilty of murder.


111 posted on 04/23/2005 10:22:33 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: ClancyJ
The nine who voted against Terri in the Florida Senate, their names are on the Terri April thread.

I'll see if I can find the list and post it here. 1. Jim King and 8 others.

112 posted on 04/23/2005 10:28:40 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: pc93

Pls direct me to the list of the nine GOP Fla Senators who voted against Terri this time. I misplaced my list. Thanks, FV


113 posted on 04/23/2005 10:42:07 AM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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To: ClancyJ

There is no easy answer, dear Lady. There is the political aspect and the points to be gained for 'trying'; there is the fear of a showdown between legislative and judiciary, with the legislative showing in advance that they are not on the side of reining in the out-of-control judiciary, so the governor should have acted before asking permission and then allow the chips to fall with the distinct possibility that things would have developed differently and Terri would still be alive; there is the fear of upsetting the incorrectly polled voters of the nation and Florida (a trick that worked and the media must be very pleased with their evil selves, especially ABC, that bastion of liberal demonic manipulation).


114 posted on 04/23/2005 10:58:58 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: chimera
In summary, words from Mary Schindler: 4/22/2005 3:00 PM ET

"My heart aches over the loss of my daughter. She was a part of my daily life for the last 41 years. She would have been residing in our home with us for the last fifteen years had she been allowed. She was, and will always be my baby. I will never forget her. I miss her terribly. The pain and distress she was in during her final days because of what they did to her will never leave my mind. Bob has a difficult time sleeping at night. The last we were told was Michael cremated Terri. This week, our attorneys told us she is still here in Florida. Michael will not tell us where, or what he will do with her and this breaks my heart. As her Mother, I want my daughter to be buried where our family may visit her gravesite. Our only relief right now comes in knowing they can bring no more harm to her. We know that she is safe and in the protected hands of God."

FV SAYS: I'm emailing this to Jeb Bush (who is at the Vatican for the Investiture of Pope Benedict XVI.) and other leaders who trusted this country's broken judicial system with Terri's life. They think we will forget that Terri was tortured and murdered by men in black robes and some women too, not to mention GOP reps. They should think again...

115 posted on 04/23/2005 1:50:18 PM PDT by floriduh voter ( Demand the Investigation of Judge Greer. Call Your US Senate & House Members)
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116 posted on 04/23/2005 3:41:53 PM PDT by amdgmary (Please visit www.terrisfight.org and www.theempirejournal.com)
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To: ClancyJ
No, you are wrong. Any politician has to weigh their actions seriously. What is the point of taking action and inciting more damage than good, when that action will not succeed.

Someone needed to act according to the oath of office they took. As far as I can see the Florida judiciary has made the Florida Legislature and the Florida Executive branch moot. Florida is run by the Florida Supreme court - might as well send the legislature home - they are useless - anything they do can be found unconstitutional by the Florida Supreme court - such as what happened to Terri's law. It is a mess - and Bush just allowed it to happen cause he did not have the guts to cause a confrontation. Now it is really to late - the game is over and the judges have complete control.

117 posted on 04/23/2005 6:44:10 PM PDT by blueriver
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To: blueriver

I agree it is over. But, I wonder if it is not the power of the Scientologists and the euthanasia movement in Florida that has its hooks all through the government.

Think about it - Florida is a retirement state and a prime target for those that wish to absorb the assets of the weak. I have heard that maybe this is the tip of the iceberg in that the corruption involves property accumulation, Medicare fraud, on and on.

When a state with a powerful euthanasia interest has an end-of-life panel established by the legislators that allows it to recommend AND all recommendations are immediately input into law, one becomes suspicious. When this panel has euthanasists on it, and when there are connections back to the hospice that held Terri, one becomes suspicious.

When the county judge ignores a federal subpoena, thumbs his nose at the governor's efforts to save Terri and ignores a federal law asking only for a new look at the case, he felt pretty sure he would succeed or he was forced to act by powerful interests.

When the Florida supreme court upholds state murder, we find that the entire state is corrupt.

It needs to be cleaned out of all legislators (especially the ones voting no to helping Terri and the ones that installed an end-of-life power with legislative power without election).

Maybe Jeb Bush realized that the whole system is corrupt. Which is not a very good recommendation of his leadership ability.


118 posted on 04/23/2005 8:00:07 PM PDT by ClancyJ (Florida Motto: Send me your weak, frail, elderly - and we will give them 'rest'".)
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To: ClancyJ

I value people. Not potatoes. Get real.


119 posted on 04/23/2005 11:02:17 PM PDT by doppelganger (A modern Cassandra)
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To: ClancyJ

You must not have ever communicated with his office by voice, etc.


120 posted on 04/24/2005 12:26:44 AM PDT by pc93 (http://tekgnosis.typepad.com)
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