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Judicial Insanity - Charles Krauthammer on Judicial Activism and the Conservative Response
Washington Post ^ | April 22, 2005 | Charles Krauthammer

Posted on 04/22/2005 6:17:01 AM PDT by JBW

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To: lugsoul

Aside from the issue of whether the evidence supports the conclusion that Jose Padilla is an enemy combatant, do we agree that there is a significant legal and factual difference between the mass detention of thousands of Americans based on their ancestry and the detention of one individual based upon his being a member of a terrorist organization at war with the United States?


41 posted on 04/22/2005 7:56:56 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: lugsoul

"Why do you ask?"

Curious, because you appear to think like a lawyer, answering a question by asking a question.


42 posted on 04/22/2005 7:59:52 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Graymatter; JBW; All
Worst of all, if he truly thinks that judicial power has been "grossly abused," why does he claim that DeLay's outrage is excessive? Why offer no better remedy than this very laborious (and far from foolproof) course: "appoint a new generation of judges committed to judicial modesty?"

I like Charles Krauthammer. He is a brilliant man. I always read and consider his thoughful analyses. I do not, however, accept them uncritically and automatically.

Unfortunately, brilliant though he may be, he is also a committed, knee-jerk statist; this article merely continues that pattern. Those who pay unquestioning obeisance to Krauthamer's "brilliance" would do well to consider the following:

"Ultimately, a civilized society must disarm its citizenry if it is to have a modicum of domestic tranquility of the kind enjoyed by sister democracies such as Canada and Britain. Given the frontier history and individualist ideology of the United States, however, this will not come easily. It certainly cannot be done radically. It will probably take one, maybe two generations. It might be 50 years before the United States gets to where Britain is today. Passing a law like the assault weapons ban is a symbolic - purely symbolic - move in that direction. Its only real justification is not to reduce crime but to desensitize the public to the regulation of weapons in preparation for their ultimate confiscation."

- Charles Krauthammer, "Disarm the Citizenry", The Washington Post, Friday, April 5, 1996, page A1

43 posted on 04/22/2005 8:00:24 AM PDT by tarheelswamprat (This tagline space for rent - cheap!)
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To: JBW
How about using the power of impeachment to punish judges for imposing their political views?

Any judge that even imagines using foreign law to base decisions ought to be impeached.

44 posted on 04/22/2005 8:04:28 AM PDT by Tribune7
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To: vbmoneyspender
"Aside from the issue of whether the evidence supports the conclusion that Jose Padilla is an enemy combatant"

There is no "aside from the issue" of what the evidence supports. The FDR administration determined that the detainees were loyal to a foreign threat. We can certainly disagree whether the evidence supports that the determination, or maybe we agree, but that was the administration's determination.

In the Padilla case, the administration has told you that he is loyal to a foreign threat. You have no idea whether or not this is true. But, for some reason, you seem to think that the Court in Korematsu should not have taken the executive's word for it, but the Court in Padilla should take the executive's word for it - right?

To be clear, I agree that the Court in Korematsu was wrong. But it would have been 'judicial activism,' as that term is currently defined, for the Court to tell the executive that they could not do what they wanted without due process as required by the Constitution. Just as it was 'judicial activism,' as currently defined for the Court to tell the executive that it couldn't do whatever it wanted with Padilla - a correct decision, IMHO.

45 posted on 04/22/2005 8:08:13 AM PDT by lugsoul ("maybe those who are defending this judicial murder could be said to be WORSE than Nazis." - EV)
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To: bowzer313

Krauthammer does NOT tilt left on most matters besides war. His viewpoint is born out of respect for the Constitution and public decency--two things that conservatives are supposed to hold dear.

And it's nonsense to say he is not a "true rightist" when there has never been one "rightist view" or one "leftist view." The conservative movement accomodates many types of conservatives who disagree on some matters but are connected by a few similarities.


46 posted on 04/22/2005 8:08:52 AM PDT by blitzgig
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To: Just mythoughts
The post to which you replied did not answer a question with a question, so I'm missing your point. As for your personal inquiry, I did want to know the basis for it before responding.

Yes, I am.

47 posted on 04/22/2005 8:10:37 AM PDT by lugsoul ("maybe those who are defending this judicial murder could be said to be WORSE than Nazis." - EV)
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To: JBW
The non-deranged way to correct the problem is to appoint a new generation of judges committed to judicial modesty.

Two issues here - first of all, the Dems are trying to block many judges who would move the courts in that direction, and, second, judges may start out with a feeling of judicial restraint, but often lose that restraint over time as their power goes to their heads.

I think it might be time to re-visit lifetime appointment to the courts, or perhaps have judges re-approved every 12 years or so, so they remain accountable to another branch of government at some point - and act accordingly.

48 posted on 04/22/2005 8:15:20 AM PDT by dirtboy (Drooling moron since 1998...)
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To: lugsoul
It was not a PERSONAL question, rather a question for me to understand why you think like you think.

I have nothing personal against lawyers. Now lawyers are trained to think in a certain way, I am not a lawyer but spent enough time around a group of lawyers to have some insight upon how their minds work.

Now you have a vested interest in maintaining the legal system as is, which explains why you are so put offfff by Tom Delay a non-lawyer!!!!!!!!!!
49 posted on 04/22/2005 8:15:45 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: vbmoneyspender
Thank you for your interesting comments.

You are certainly correct to note that lifetime tenure (in the judiciary or any other undertaking for that matter) breeds a certain amount of arrogance. We've certainly seen that arrogance in the past few decades as some judges have substituted their own personal views for Constitutional requirements.

On the other hand, the Constitution contemplates lifetime tenure for judges and the Founding Fathers intended to insulate the federal judiciary from the stresses of politics. The Founders intended judges to take a 'long view' so that they could resist the majority when the majority overstepped the Constitution. Our history is full of examples where courageous judges took the 'right' position, despite the will of the majority, only to be vindicated in later years.

The difficult and decisive question (for which I have no ready answer) is where to draw the line between (a) the kind of arrogance that the Founders anticipated when they created a system of lifetime judicial tenure versus (b) the kind of judicial overreaching that rises to the level of an impeachable offense.

It seems that judicial opinions that are simply wrong or bad should not be impeachable, or else judges would spend all their time defending controversial decisions against an unhappy majority.

And yet there should be some line of demarcation beyond which judges should not venture for fear of impeachment.

By what standard or line of analysis would we draw this line?
50 posted on 04/22/2005 8:16:18 AM PDT by JBW (www.jonathanbwilson.com)
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To: lugsoul

It was not a PERSONAL question, rather a question for me to understand why you think like you think.

I have nothing personal against lawyers. Now lawyers are trained to think in a certain way, I am not a lawyer but spent enough time around a group of lawyers to have some insight upon how their minds work.

Now you have a vested interest in maintaining the legal system as is, which explains why you are so put offfff by Tom Delay a non-lawyer!!!!!!!!!!


51 posted on 04/22/2005 8:16:50 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: vbmoneyspender
Our federal judges have been impinging on the power of the legislature for years.

I see it differently. The legislative branch has shirked its duty by avoiding "controversial" issues. That has created vacuums in the law that judges are filling. I blame Congress.

52 posted on 04/22/2005 8:19:31 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: lugsoul
I think you are being ridiculous in drawing an equivalence between the detention of thousands of American citizens during WWII and the current detention of Padilla. Here are several links that shows why the equivalence you attempt to draw is ridiculous.

Jose Padilla, American Terrorist

No Due Process for Enemy Combatants

53 posted on 04/22/2005 8:22:26 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: JBW

term limits is my answer. I would like to see 10 year terms for federal judges. 10 years as a federal judge and if you get appointed to a Circuit court, then you get another 10 years as an appellate judge. And if you get appointed to the Supreme Court, then you get another 10 years as a Supreme Court justice.


54 posted on 04/22/2005 8:26:17 AM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: lugsoul
Actually, they held that the Constitution did not bar state legislatures and executives from decreeing that blacks in their states were slaves - care to point me to the provision that said otherwise at the time? Or did you want the court to make one up?

The Constitution; Article IV, Section 2.
Clause 1: The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.
Congressional Territorial laws, such as the Northwest Ordinance and the Missouri Compromise
and various free State laws where Dred Scott resided.

He was a federal citizen, and a state citizen, not to mention those original inalienable rights that he had just by being a person, a living human being. Taney and the majority violated the prescriptions of the law in all four categories.

Cordially,

55 posted on 04/22/2005 8:33:27 AM PDT by Diamond (Qui liberatio scelestus trucido inculpatus.)
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To: vbmoneyspender

I heard Padilla's lawyer on the radio. It was hilarious! The guy argued that Padilla was picked up by the feds "on the streets of O'Hare airport."


56 posted on 04/22/2005 8:34:51 AM PDT by AmishDude (Join the AmishDude fan club: "Agreed." -- torchthemummy; "lol, Good one AD."--gopwinsin04)
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To: Mamzelle
I want some new pundits.

Me too. This overblown polemic achieves the opposite of its intent. By changing just a few words it would be a powerful endorsement for the actions of DeLay et. al., and that was its effect on me.

57 posted on 04/22/2005 8:37:14 AM PDT by Bernard Marx (Don't make the mistake of interpreting my Civility as Servility)
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To: vbmoneyspender
Thank you for making my point. You have simply regurgitated what the executive has stated about Padilla as an excuse for not having to have any of it proven in Court. Let's hope they never decide to make unproven allegations about anyone you care about.

As far as basing a citizen's rights on 'intelligence' reports from the executive branch - well, I would hope we would all agree that this is an extremely dubious proposition.

58 posted on 04/22/2005 8:38:18 AM PDT by lugsoul ("maybe those who are defending this judicial murder could be said to be WORSE than Nazis." - EV)
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To: vbmoneyspender
Let me be clear - I don't think Padilla should just be set loose. I do think the government should be required to PROVE what they claim about him, rather than simply ALLEGING it. Just as I think the government should have been required to PROVE that Japanese detainees were loyal to a foreign threat.

Do you believe the government should have to prove its allegations against citizens, or simply state them?

59 posted on 04/22/2005 8:42:36 AM PDT by lugsoul ("maybe those who are defending this judicial murder could be said to be WORSE than Nazis." - EV)
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To: vbmoneyspender
"I think you are being ridiculous in drawing an equivalence between the detention of thousands of American citizens during WWII and the current detention of Padilla."

By the way, do you know how many American citizens or others legally present in this country have been 'detained' without being charged with any crime in the last 4 years? As far as comparing it with Padilla himself - we don't know how ridiculous that is, because we don't have any idea whether any of the charges have any basis - and if the government had its way we'd never know. The principle behind the executive's assertion of the right to detain without any due process is exactly the same.

60 posted on 04/22/2005 9:15:53 AM PDT by lugsoul ("maybe those who are defending this judicial murder could be said to be WORSE than Nazis." - EV)
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